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goducks10 wrote:

Average TW for Flagstaff Micro Lights is 670 lbs per their brochure weights. For most 1/2 tons thats a good starting point. Most 1/2 ton receivers can handle north of 1,000 lbs.
Average brochure UVW is 5438 lbs.
Again perfect start for 1/2 ton buyers.


That’s what I thought as well. In fact, I chose to stay with these smaller ones to not worry about towing. The problem is on the forums people take that brochure weight and add 400 pounds to the tongue; instantly over killing a half ton and making it struggle and white knuckle to tow it.

I had an old pilgrim 30’ 9,000 gvwr TT o towed a couple times. Truck towed it well with some sway on a windy day . I wasn’t fully happy with it and hoped to downgrade to make towing an issue I didn’t have to worry

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GDE,

Thanks for the mini sermon on cargo weight...unfortunately the discussion here is all about 1/2 tons towing capacity (or lack thereof).

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Looking at these numbers and forums for towing and it is very annoying. Most of these trailers say micro or light but have 900 to 1,000 lb tongue weights. Basically, you need a 2500 to tow anything but a pop-up camper.


My information (although dated to 2005), is from personal experiences and of course from Ford's published info, available here:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/a........owing-guides/Ford_Linc_05RVTTowGuide.pdf

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@ Gdetrailer
"Towing ratings now days has very little to do with gear ratios for the most part."

Except that in Timmo!'s example, it is largely gear ratios and engine power that make the tow ratings near the same. It aint the chassis.


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Keeth1123 wrote:

Looking at these numbers and forums for towing and it is very annoying. Most of these trailers say micro or light but have 900 to 1,000 lb tongue weights. Basically, you need a 2500 to tow anything but a pop-up camper.


I disagree I'm quite happy pulling my 7700 GVWR trailer with a tongue weight of 1050 behind my F150.


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Keeth1123 wrote:


The micro light 25fkbs has caught my eye. 7,800 pounds gvwr on it

So I guess the estimate is 780 pound tongue + WDH = 880


Probably 900-1200lb hitch weight. 10% is bare minimum...12-15% is better.

Terms like "ultralight" are marketing terms. Look at the actual ratings.

Think of it like "GT" minivan...you wouldn't expect it to hang with a sports car.


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MitchF150 wrote:

The name of the trailer is not really a good indicator of it's weight.. Neither is it's brochure 'dry weights'...


Very true.

RV Manufacturer: "Apparently, our customers perceive our product as being excessively heavy...so we're going to add 'Light' to its name...

There are small travel trailers with relatively small tongue weights out there.

Some examples:
Casita Sprit 17' Standard Layout: 295 lbs.
Scamp 16' Standard Layout: 230 lbs.
Escape 17' Standard Layout: 345 lbs.
Bigfoot 17.5' Standard Layout: 410 lbs.

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Boon Docker wrote:

Your average half ton has a payload capacity from 1900-3000 lb.
That is NOT average.
Some would be a much more accurate statement.



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Keeth1123 wrote:

Looking at these numbers and forums for towing and it is very annoying. Most of these trailers say micro or light but have 900 to 1,000 lb tongue weights. Basically, you need a 2500 to tow anything but a pop-up camper.
"1/2 Ton Towable" FWs are even worse. Most have an empty pin weight of 1400lbs or more. Loaded pin weights are at our over 2000lbs. Most 1/2 ton trucks rear axles are too weak to carry that. Notice I said Most.


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Keeth1123 wrote:

goducks10 wrote:

Average TW for Flagstaff Micro Lights is 670 lbs per their brochure weights. For most 1/2 tons thats a good starting point. Most 1/2 ton receivers can handle north of 1,000 lbs.
Average brochure UVW is 5438 lbs.
Again perfect start for 1/2 ton buyers.


That’s what I thought as well. In fact, I chose to stay with these smaller ones to not worry about towing. The problem is on the forums people take that brochure weight and add 400 pounds to the tongue; instantly over killing a half ton and making it struggle and white knuckle to tow it.

I had an old pilgrim 30’ 9,000 gvwr TT o towed a couple times. Truck towed it well with some sway on a windy day . I wasn’t fully happy with it and hoped to downgrade to make towing an issue I didn’t have to worry
When looking at matching a TT to a tow vehicle I use 12% of the GVWR of the TT for the tongue weight. In real life, 12% is a good place to be. It's not rocket science, a couple of hundred pounds one way or the other is not armageddon. YOMV.

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You can find some stuff thats perfectly fine for a half ton truck. I found that large inclines, and accelerating were way slower then I wanted. It was doable, but not fun. The kicker for me was the small gas tank on long trips. After nj to fl , i got a 2500 and never looked back. Millage is similer but the tank is huge, so a lot less stopping for gas.for some , this isnt a problem. But add small kids and it will kill a trip fast. Between stopping for food, gas , bathroom/stretching. It seemed we were stopping every hour.


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