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IdaD

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Posted: 12/21/21 10:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

goducks10 wrote:

I enjoy towing my 9500 lb TT through the PNW with a Big Horn CTD just as much as the the guy with the Platinum gaser towing a 9500 lb TT. We both bought what we wanted.


This always strikes me as well. The guy with the basic diesel truck needs to justify the functional upgrade, but the guy with the Platinum gas turd gets a pass.


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Posted: 12/21/21 10:20am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When selling a modern diesel you will get your money back as the trucks are much more valuable than the same truck with gasser.


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

When selling a modern diesel you will get your money back as the trucks are much more valuable than the same truck with gasser.


But you pay more for a diesel so it's relative.


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All of the cost comparisons are flawed. None take into account the time value of money. I think Internal Rate of Return (aka Discounted Cashflow Rate of Return) is best. Net Present Value, is OK.

What you bought it for, what you sold it for, and every last cent you spent on the truck are needed, along with miles and duty cycle. This is the metric that companies use to determine gas or diesel for their fleets. And most light duty trucks are gas and heavy duty are diesel, with a gray area in the middle, for sound money reasons.

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way2roll wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

When selling a modern diesel you will get your money back as the trucks are much more valuable than the same truck with gasser.


But you pay more for a diesel so it's relative.


TRUE but many act like it's so much more for a diesel and don't consider how much more the diesel will fetch.

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way2roll wrote:

Thanks for the analysis turtle.

I own a diesel so I get it, but in order to arrive a true net, you must factor that the diesel engine costs about $10k more.


You're welcome Way2roll.

The thing is, I get waaaaaaaaay more money back on my truck if I sell it. When the truck market was going crazy I could have got 25 to 30K for my 15 year old truck!! Maybe 15K if I would have purchased a gas truck back in the day. I paid 7K for my diesel option and would have made money on it if I sold it 3 months ago.

I don't know if this is going to be my last truck or not? I only have 10 maybe 15 years of towing in me at the outside. 100K for a new truck? Crazy if you ask me. But then again I don't have a lot of money like most do on this forum. Most on this forum it seems to me swap out trucks every 3 to 4 years or less and then complain about an oil change every 10 thousand miles for $150 bucks for a diesel. [emoticon]

For "me"; I'd much rather tow with a 15 YO diesel than a 2022 gas. Why? Money. I save lots of it with my diesel. I save quiet a bit of money in fuel a year and I don't have a $1,000 a month payment around my neck. But that's just "me." Would I get a new truck if I had the money? Probably, but there is nothing wrong with my truck. It tows the same as a 2022 truck at 75 MPH. It goes up most hills the same as a 2022 truck. It gets about the same mileage as the 2022 truck.

Is my truck going to be reliable at 250K? I don't know? I hope so because it's not looking like I will be able to afford a new one, be it a gas or a diesel!

I do think it's funny that the guy on the video "saved money" by buying a new 70K gas truck! Now that's funny to me! [emoticon] [emoticon]


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This thread is going so many different places...

Glad that Ford came out with a 7.3 gas - I had a 8.1 GM and thought it was great. I think what I liked most about it was the Alison transmission. As a pair, it was like driving a diesel, without the power or fuel economy. At the time, I had never had a diesel so I thought it had great power and was a great engine combination. However in 2015 I upgraded my truck to a Duramax. What a difference. Of course, it is a newer and a nicer truck, but as far as towing capabilities, up and down hills, etc, no comparison. In addition, fuel savings, less cost for maintenance, and less cost for fuel. Someone said Diesel is more expensive, in the past 6 years, I have seen that diesel is mostly the same or less, seldom more. Fuel economy with a diesel can't even compare to the 8.1 gas, 8 MPG was a good day. My maintenance is less since the dealer offers oil changes for life, so I have only had to do a few fuel filters, and some basic maintenance. The other truck was not too expensive, but sold it because the AC went out and I didn't want to deal with that.

I have 2 trailers, 1 at about 8,000 lbs and 1 at 12,000 lbs. For the 8.1 GM we only had the smaller trailer. It towed perfect, but with the heavier trailer, I'm not sure I would have felt the same way. I guess my point, is you can't compare a tow rig with a small trailer at 8000 lbs and say it will tow a 12000 lb trailer the same way...

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If someone wants a gas powered truck the 7.3 is a great choice. If someone thinks he’s saving big money by buying a 7.3 gas over diesel he’s wrong.


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I'll have to try driving a new diesel. When I got my 8.1 in 2003, I drove a duramax to compare and was most underwhelmed. So not worth the $$$. But that was then & this is now & things have changed big time.


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frankwp wrote:

I'll have to try driving a new diesel. When I got my 8.1 in 2003, I drove a duramax to compare and was most underwhelmed. So not worth the $$$. But that was then & this is now & things have changed big time.


You should because things have changed a lot just like you said. Back when you bought your big block it had 340 HP and the diesel had only 300 HP. 40 HP is a big difference and couple that with the instant HP feel that the gas engine gives is going to be a lot.

Nothing wrong with kicking tires.

I'm curious how heavy of a trailer you towed with your 8.1 and what kind of mileage you got while towing?

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