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Turtle n Peeps

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Posted: 12/22/21 01:10pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So I haven't been keeping up on the HP wars for years.

So I had a little time today and was checking out the 2022 HP wars of the big 3 and was shocked at what I saw. Ford not only was on top but dominated the other 2 by a county mile. I wasn't shocked that Ford was on top but by how far they were ahead.

Ford PS diesel= 475HP (holy ****)
Gm Duramax diesel= 445HP
Ram Cummins diesel=400HP

Now a 30HP lead is BIG but a 75HP lead is annihilating the competition!

So after seeing that, is the HP wars over and Ford won hands down? Is that it? Did Ford just win the gold metal and now it's over? Just like that?

Orrrrrr are people satisfied with their puny 400HP and 445HP and Ford can be the top gorilla?

I have friends that own all 3 brands and NONE are saying, "man I wish I had more HP." They use to!! They really did! I still have a 6.5 200HP diesel and wished I had more HP when I towed with that. With my 360HP Duramax I don't say that even with my 11K upgraded trailer. I just don't. And I tow in big mountains!

Maybe I'm getting old and don't GAS about HP anymore? Maybe 360HP is more than enough to do what I need to do and tow where I need to tow as fast as I want? Is that what the average Ram person says nowdays?

Have we maxed out and have come to a point where the average person just does not need anymore HP? I think we have!

What do you think?

* This post was edited 12/22/21 01:41pm by Turtle n Peeps *


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In my teens and twenties I was into horsepower. Now I’m into an adequate power plant and gasoline mileage.


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Torque is what counts when hauling a load.

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Just wait, GM has a 500 HP Duramax coming out in '24 or '25, maybe sooner. I went from a 397 HP '11 Duramax to a 445 HP '18 Duramax and to be honest didn't really see a huge difference pulling our 19.5K Fifthwheel.


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+2 what jdc1 said.

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My Ram is only 370/800 and I've never been in a situation where it felt lacking in power even when towing a 15k lb trailer. Our camper isn't even that heavy but I also have a gooseneck trailer I've loaded up to that level several times.

In comparing the big 3 diesels I don't think power has been a differentiating factor for quite a few years. They're all awesome from that standpoint.

Personally I think I'd buy a Duramax if I were buying a new 2022 and I'd give it the edge over the Cummins due to the transmission. PS would be third place. That said I'm happy with my 2015 and intend to keep it many more years.


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jdc1 wrote:

Torque is what counts when hauling a load.


LOL, I wish you would tell that to my 440ft/lbs of torque 6.5 when I'm doing 25 MPH up a hill and a 5.3 gas rig with 383ft/lbs comes blowing past me like I'm standing still pulling the same or bigger trailer. [emoticon]

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I would normally agree with the comment about torque, BUT . . .

I think it's a combination of the HP, torque, and the new tranny's.. I know I went from the Ford 6 speed to the Ford 10 speed and that in itself is a big difference.. My HP and Torque was not all that far off from 15 to 20 [emoticon]

2015 - 440 HP - 860 ft lb torque with 6 speed
2020 - 475 HP - 1050 ft lb tortue with 10 speed

* This post was edited 12/22/21 05:24pm by ford truck guy *


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Towing just got easier! [emoticon]


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

Torque is what counts when hauling a load.


LOL, I wish you would tell that to my 440ft/lbs of torque 6.5 when I'm doing 25 MPH up a hill and a 5.3 gas rig with 383ft/lbs comes blowing past me like I'm standing still pulling the same or bigger trailer. [emoticon]


How I like to put it: ultimately, HP gets a load up a hill (as per Newton). Torque is simply a way of making hp, via rpm.

But if an engine ONLY has torque (2000 lb-ft @ 150rpm), it's getting nowhere fast.

Another law of physics: you can always CREATE torque with gearing, but you cannot create more power.

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