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spoon059

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I want super singles tucked under the SRW fenders instead of a dually. Going to be a bit narrower between the wheel wells and that is fine by me.

I doubt manufactures would produce a truck with less than 4’ between the wheel wells.

Yea, I've thought of that as well, but I agree.
I haven't looked at a dually in a while, but I have to wonder if the inner wheels could be tucked closer to the body, thus bringing the outer wheels closer in as well. That would reduce the overall width by a couple inches, possibly making it more desireable.

Or simply offer a super single (17" wide) instead of dual rear wheels (23" wide). That would reduce your width by a foot! Of course, I'm not aware of a super single with a wheel size small enough to fit on a pickup...


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As mentioned HDT are a different world and not relevant to your 3/4 & 1 ton pickups. I would expect your average trucking company has qualified mechanics performing work. Your average guy with a 20yr old truck that he's stringing along likely cuts a lot of corners...so your assumption that the engine transfer would be done professionally is sketchy at best.

I'm sure individuals mostly could care less about the engine technology but that doesn't mean it must meet current regulations and that it must mate with the new technology on your new chassie.

As far as keeping a truck going for 40yrs...if you dump $40-50k into the chassie, you can do a major overhaul making it like new at 20yrs (probably a good bit cheaper if you don't live in rust belt states)...giving you an additional 20yrs. If it's really that the engine will last 40yrs, you can keep the chassie going and it's much more straight forward.


Back in the days before oil embargo...........


The oil embargo was 40-45yrs ago...not particularly relevant to today.


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spoon059 wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

time2roll wrote:

I want super singles tucked under the SRW fenders instead of a dually. Going to be a bit narrower between the wheel wells and that is fine by me.

I doubt manufactures would produce a truck with less than 4’ between the wheel wells.

Yea, I've thought of that as well, but I agree.
I haven't looked at a dually in a while, but I have to wonder if the inner wheels could be tucked closer to the body, thus bringing the outer wheels closer in as well. That would reduce the overall width by a couple inches, possibly making it more desireable.

Or simply offer a super single (17" wide) instead of dual rear wheels (23" wide). That would reduce your width by a foot! Of course, I'm not aware of a super single with a wheel size small enough to fit on a pickup...


Well part of the stability of a DRW comes from the wide stance and eight sidewalls instead of four. The reasons people have all kinds of reasons for not wanting to drive a DRW. Most are not valid. We full time and our crew cab long bed DRW is our only vehicle. No, it isn’t a smart car, but I can drive and park just about anywhere I want. We are 8’ wide at the hips, standard road lane is 10’ so a foot on each side.
I see people in compact cars, hugging the center line when crossing a bridge because the rail is too close. You learn the size and it isn’t an issue, DD also has a DRW for hauling her four horse trailer she doesn’t have any issues driving such a BIG truck.


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I'd take a 20" wide single on the back of ALL three DW rigs I've owned I've duals. Assuming BOTH setups have the same overall width.
Supers are lighter in wieght, better mpg's, just as stable. Every test I've seen show better faster stopping, the majority of the time better traction. More carrying capacity due too the overall light tire/rim combo. About a ton more on a typical 5 axle truck trailer.
Only reason duals seem to stay around is the operators brain says 4 -10" tires per axle is better.
I'm personally seeing more tractors and trailers with supers than I did 20 years ago.
As noted, there are in reality, none available in sizes smaller than 22-24" rim diam.
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The oil embargo was 40-45yrs ago...not particularly relevant to today.


Yes, the oil embargo was 45 years ago. As far as how it relates to the discussion, What would make Tow Vehicles Better, I think in a prefect world, or even one better than we have, somebody could buy a pickup powered by a used engine, as long as the technology of the engine was not to outdated. I mentioned the embargo as something that force a major change in diesel engine technology. (At the time I was driving a '67 Pete with 12V71 2-stroke. I had a driver in a '70 KW, with 1693 Cat. Both would run about 4 MPG. My '95 Pete, 3406E Cat would beat 6 unless I was doing doing something stupid.
When you think that everything you buy, except the ground it sets on rode on a truck to get to you it is hard to believe anybody can think the oil embargo is not relevant. And the fact that much of the population does not want to loosen the oil companies' grip on the collective sack is evidence we are slow learners, or fast forgetters

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How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


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How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


LOL! By the time they beefed up to hold the weight, added the engine, you would likely be over the class 3 weight.
Easier would be replace the cab on a class 8. But if you showed up at a CG towing a large camper some would get panties in a wad because the fender emblems where overloaded.

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JRscooby wrote:

ford truck guy wrote:

How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


LOL! By the time they beefed up to hold the weight, added the engine, you would likely be over the class 3 weight.
Easier would be replace the cab on a class 8. But if you showed up at a CG towing a large camper some would get panties in a wad because the fender emblems where overloaded.


LMAO ! !

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How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


Deboss Garage is putting a 3126 under the hood of an F350. Not quite a C15 but still a Cat... Look under #FTreeKitty.


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mkirsch wrote:

ford truck guy wrote:

How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


Deboss Garage is putting a 3126 under the hood of an F350. Not quite a C15 but still a Cat... Look under #FTreeKitty.


just watched some of that..

The dude kind of reminds me of Fred with Dirt Everyday

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