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silversand

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Posted: 03/25/22 08:40am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

....there has been no significant difference between US States with mask mandates, and those 35 States without mandates. Just look at the case rates. have a look at any of the reputable statistical data (Johns Hopkins, etc, etc). Even worse, one of the location in North America with the highest fully vaccinated levels in the World, and strictest mask mandates (Quebec, Canada) had an astounding Omicron BA.1 infection ratio of 1 in every 3 inhabitants.

The problem with "mask wearing" is the following: ....universal country-wide masking suffers from four big flaws. 1) the general population does not wear masks properly; 2) the general population may not/do not have proper fitting masks; and 3) among the general population, cloth masks still predominate; and 4) how many wearers change their masks EVERY TIME they make a sojourn out of the house (filthy and degraded mask filtration)?

IF masks are so significant in preventing transmission, why in the world did states with strong mask mandates like Rhode Island (1 State among many) experience in January an Omicron surge among the highest in America (at least as high as States with no mask mandate)?? Look at the UK, with one of the strictest masking mandates in the world; how did they fare during Omicron? Mask mandates and general population masking seem to be one of the least consequential Covid mitigation endeavors in the war against this pandemic.

There was a randomized masking trial in Bangladesh, that demonstrated that surgical mask wearing by the cohort studied only reduced the symptomatic infection rate by 11%.

There is something going on that is, as yet, not understood in the realm of rise and fall vis societal pandemic mitigation measures! Even with near perfect compliance (ie. Quebec) with near 100% lockdowns (ie. Quebec), 100% masking by law (ie. Quebec), and 100% travel bans (ie. Canada). None of that worked at all.

In ending, have a read of this systematic review and meta-analysis designed to determine whether there is empirical evidence to support the belief that “lockdowns” reduce COVID-19 mortality. SAE./No.200/January 2022.

The Johns Hopkins Institute for Applied Economics, Global Health, and the Study of Business Enterprise.

"A LITERATURE REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS
OF THE EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS ON
COVID-19 MORTALITY"

Here-->

-18,590 studies are identified
-three levels of screening 34 studies ultimately qualified.
-Of those 34 eligible studies, 24 qualified for inclusion in the meta-analysis

....the conclusion: "While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument"

THIS is why I (and many others) say future Global vaccination mandates will fail miserably; they will be rejected outright by world populations. An do you know what? That is very, very sad.

On edit: I AM a proponent of voluntary masking; however, EVERYONE needs to take a course on proper mask fitment and post-wear disposal

* This post was edited 03/25/22 09:20am by silversand *


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Posted: 03/25/22 09:21am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You stated: "The problem with "mask wearing" is the following: ...."
Then how do you know any of the data you quoted is reliable in evaluating the effectiveness of masking? The reason I provided the published study is that is was more controlled in evaluating the benefits of masking; comparing the likelihood in onward transmission with vs without masking as opposed to statewide data "polluted" with and without mask use. We manufacture a highly sensitive test for a biomarker that is in saliva. In order to test new lots of this product we must wear masks to prevent false positives in product testing from contamination by those performing the test. We use cloth, surgical, kn95, or n95 masks for this work and find a very significant reduction in false positive results. If these masks were ineffective at filtering exhaled particles we would require the use of fitted respirators during product testing.

Lockdowns are a different issue than masking which you now choose to discuss. They won't work because people don't understand that a lockdown is to minimize human-to-human interaction; human-to-human interactions (inadvertent and planned) continued during these lockdowns. The lockdowns were not going to stop the spread of the virus; the lockdowns could slow the spread of the virus so that the health systems would be better able to keep up as opposed to being in "Crisis Standards of Care" for the entire pandemic (we can treat and save you, we can't help you go over here and die).

There hasn't been a "global vaccination mandate"; there have been a few national vaccination mandates. Poor nations did not receive (rich nations hogged supplies) and/or were unable to distribute vaccines for several reasons, not the least of which is that the most effective vaccines could not be distributed where there wasn't -80 storage (that has changed recently).

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Posted: 03/25/22 11:09am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BC Snob wrote:

The reason I provided the published study is that is was more controlled in evaluating the benefits of masking; comparing the likelihood in onward transmission with vs without masking as opposed to statewide data "polluted" with and without mask use.


...of course tightly controlled mask efficacy research in a lab will show under ideal lab conditions what a mask can "do". However, this is utterly useless / meaningless under REAL mask use in the wild!

Forget about ideal laboratory mask research (humans don't live in labs, supervised by PPE experts). An improperly fitted, sized, and recycled mask in the real world in the wild, is about as protective as a space suit with a pin hole in it. The only metric to look at is: ....in places with mandated by law mask wearing, what are the ongoing infection numbers? Why use masks AT ALL (outside of the hospital/health care environment) if these infection numbers are as high as unmandated/voluntary mask wearing jurisdictions?

Global vaccination mandates:

....global vaccination mandates in my context means what jurisdictions around the Globe have mandated vaccination (NOT a single supra-national enforcement agency). Mandates have to be investigated country by country. Other than some war-torn African and Middle Eastern nations, can you name a SINGLE country where there has been zero vaccination mandate? Jeez, even places like Slovenia, had some form of Covid vaccination mandate. Some countries were "soft" on enforcement, like Belgium (for cultural reasons)...others brutally strict, like Canada (locking their citizens down in house arrest: the severity driven by Provincial rules).

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Posted: 03/25/22 12:13pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Go read the study, it wasn’t done in a lab

Here are other recent (2022) non-lab studies that found masking was effective at reducing secondary attack rates
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South Africa (beta and omicron) does not have a government vaccination mandate, some employers do.

Back to your original question; until there is a test for immunity simply saying if someone was sick they can be considered immune is a scientifically flawed policy.

This tread is now yours, I have work to do.

* This post was last edited 03/25/22 12:54pm by BCSnob *   View edit history

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Posted: 03/25/22 12:55pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BC Snob wrote:

South Africa (beta and omicron) does not have a government vaccination mandate, some employers do.


South Africa has a vaccination mandate, as outlined in: DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND LABOUR document NO. R. 499 11 June 2021, entitled:

Consolidated Direction on Occupational Health and Safety Measures in Certain Workplaces. Section 27(2) under the Disaster Management Act law, enshrined by their parliament. Quote: "To prevent and combat the spread of Covid-19 in certain workplaces in South Africa.

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Posted: 03/25/22 01:01pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Go read it.
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No mandated vaccination

South Africa can’t make Covid-19 vaccines mandatory — Health department

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Posted: 03/25/22 01:13pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

....In the Johnson County, Iowa mask study:

"Among the limitations to this study is that many persons could not be contacted or declined to cooperate with public health investigations. There are almost certainly substantial differences between case-patients and contacts that we were able to interview and those who declined to provide information or were unable to be reached. In addition, all of the data, with the exception of test results, were self-reported by either contacts or case-patients. Self-reported data can be unreliable. During investigations, case-patients may have had an incentive to provide false information to prevent friends, co-workers, or classmates from quarantining; or they may have demonstrated response bias by telling interviewers what they thought we wanted to hear. Although bias cannot be ruled out, we believe that persons who cooperate with public health investigations are more likely to provide accurate and honest information and to follow other public health guidance, such as social distancing and mask use"

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Posted: 03/25/22 01:16pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

More believable study than simply comparing rates in states with and without mask mandates

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Posted: 03/25/22 01:31pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BC Snob wrote:

Go read it.
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No mandated vaccination


You have an outdated document. My document supersedes yours, and is signed and dated: 28/05/2021: here-->


See N044700 Page 51, Section 2.

"If the employer decides that vaccination is mandatory in respect of the employees....etc...etc...

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Posted: 03/25/22 01:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If the employer decides not the government mandated
The document does not say the employer must require vaccination.

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