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CavemanCharlie

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wanderingbob wrote:

Try pulling it , I have the same truck and trailer weight and have been pulling this trailer since 2014 . I do not use or need a WDH . That is the reason you buy a 3/4 ton truck . I have driven over 100K pulling this TT . TRY it , you might like it !


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Posted: 03/15/22 05:36pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Where WDH really comes into need vs. like is when the trailer weights almost the same as the truck or is longer than the truck.

At 5000#, the OP doesn't sound anywhere near that.



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I'm sure glad you never got a chance to talk to the full trailer I pulled the most. MT TW was less than 0.05%. Loaded, less than 0.005%. Replace bushings in tongue about every 50,000 miles, and it tracked like it was on rails.
Now when talking RVs, or most other trailers, the TW is important. You should set things up to where sway is unlikely, then add sway control for when something goes wrong.


So What you're saying is the dump pup or transfer you pulled didn't have any tongue weight, per se. This is not news, nor in any way pertinent to the discussion.


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He doesn't use a WDH or sway control either.

He does seem to have it front loaded though.


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Grit dog wrote:

JRscooby wrote:



I'm sure glad you never got a chance to talk to the full trailer I pulled the most. MT TW was less than 0.05%. Loaded, less than 0.005%. Replace bushings in tongue about every 50,000 miles, and it tracked like it was on rails.
Now when talking RVs, or most other trailers, the TW is important. You should set things up to where sway is unlikely, then add sway control for when something goes wrong.


So What you're saying is the dump pup or transfer you pulled didn't have any tongue weight, per se. This is not news, nor in any way pertinent to the discussion.
There is a reason they call those "Wiggle Wagons".

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Grit dog wrote:

JRscooby wrote:



I'm sure glad you never got a chance to talk to the full trailer I pulled the most. MT TW was less than 0.05%. Loaded, less than 0.005%. Replace bushings in tongue about every 50,000 miles, and it tracked like it was on rails.
Now when talking RVs, or most other trailers, the TW is important. You should set things up to where sway is unlikely, then add sway control for when something goes wrong.




So What you're saying is the dump pup or transfer you pulled didn't have any tongue weight, per se. This is not news, nor in any way pertinent to the discussion.



All it has to do with this discussion is to point out anybody claiming "all trailers must have TW" might not have all the info. Sometimes something like just changing tire size, air pressure, or height of hitch can make a well behaved trailer sway. And a change in overhang/wheelbase ratio can change mean that sway that is unnoticeable behind 1 TV can't be towed by another.

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There is a reason they call those "Wiggle Wagons".


Sorry, never heard a rigid framed pup trailer called Wiggle Wagon. With about 10 foot wheelbase, tires had to slip sideways to turn much. Kinda like a toad behind a MH, except the steering is locked straight ahead. (How much do they sway?)
Wiggle Wagon is normally a semi-trailer with converter in place of tractor, (Some trailers are built so the front axle can spin under like a converter) This gives a extra pivot point behind the truck, (more often another semi-trailer) Now they can, and often do wander around behind. But unlike true trailer sway, all forces on the TV are straight back, not pushing side to side. Really not a control issue unless driver tries to correct for it, oversteers.

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It's amazing how easy it can be to get totally sidetracked on these forums. No offence, but what do wiggle wagons, pups, or semi trailers have to do with an RV? How does the fact that a wiggle wagon behind a tandem/tridem/whatever truck has no tongue weight relate to TT tongue weight distribution on a ¾ ton pickup truck?

Personally, I have worked around enough trucks of all kinds over 40 years to last me a lifetime. I come here to learn about RV's and to contribute to a discussion if I can.

There.....rant is over. On with the show.


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ssthrd wrote:

It's amazing how easy it can be to get totally sidetracked on these forums. No offence, but what do wiggle wagons, pups, or semi trailers have to do with an RV? How does the fact that a wiggle wagon behind a tandem/tridem/whatever truck has no tongue weight relate to TT tongue weight distribution on a ¾ ton pickup truck?

Personally, I have worked around enough trucks of all kinds over 40 years to last me a lifetime. I come here to learn about RV's and to contribute to a discussion if I can.

There.....rant is over. On with the show.


Wuz my point perzactly!
There is an overabundance of reminiscence and speculation on this forum. The likes of which are closer to BookFace than what should be expected of (mostly) men who should be mature enough to know what they don't know by this stage of their lives...
Prime example, most anytime someone uses the absolutes like "all, exactly, never" etc, someone has to come up with a response that would be akin to a 7 year old, who has just learned that there are exceptions to most things and cannot help themselves from pointing it out. Even if not relevant. What's more, is I'm generally very careful to qualify most of my responses with terms like "mostly", "rarely" or "generally", yet it "often" (see there I go again) elicits the same inane immature responses from some folks.

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But this thread is dead anyways, no real question about whether a HD truck can tow a little trailer safely and competently without a wdh.

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