Good Sam Club Open Roads Forum: reservation system cheating still prolific in ontario parks.
Open Roads Forum Already a member? Login here.   If not, Register Today!  |  Help

Newest  |  Active  |  Popular  |  RVing FAQ Forum Rules  |  Forum Posting Help and Support  |  Contact  

Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in RVing in Canada and Alaska

Open Roads Forum  >  RVing in Canada and Alaska  >  Canada

 > reservation system cheating still prolific in ontario parks.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 2  
Next
relaxin

Fenwick, Ontario

Senior Member

Joined: 03/12/2003

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 04/28/22 05:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Exploring Ontario parks, Looking at campsites for the thanks giving weekend (CDN), I usually and have for the past few years gone for the entire week before thanks giving, it amazes me how many sites are already booked and for 21 or more days in advance, as we technically can't book that weekend until next week, in showing up I happen to notice in the past couple years the level of bookings at this time does not reflect the number of occupied sites when I get there.

I know I know, is it hurting me?, ummmm in some ways yes, being empty nesters, we are trying more off season travel as the parks are a little quieter during the week, and this BS is tying up sites when we are trying to reserve for the end of september and a lot of the premium sites are taken then will be canceled a couple months from now. We all know its worse during the summer when jockeying for sites for one of our 4 long weekends sites are booked well in advance then canceling later screwing anyone who is trying to book other times around those weekends.

I wish Ontario parks would develop a 0 tolerance policy, and when a person pulls this BS more than once they get a warning on the first time, the next time they loose their entire reservation. having a family emergency and having to alter plans is one thing, but if it happens every year or multiple time each year, that's a clear indicator the person is cheating the system. It is hard enough to plan and get trips booked in this park system, as they have not been growing with the population or the increasing trends of this activity by adding campsites or new parks.


Relaxin, hikin, canoin, enjoyin life
headin down the road with a 29' reflection, canoe, camera, & hammock. 2022 GMC extended cab 6.6 litre gasser.
Rug rats grown and gone, just me and my beautiful little lady.

Fizz

Ottawa, Canada

Senior Member

Joined: 07/28/2003

View Profile



Posted: 04/28/22 05:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Believe it or not but this has been going on for over 35 yrs. That's when we gave up on Provincial Campgrounds and bought a cottage.

valhalla360

No paticular place.

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2009

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 04/28/22 07:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not just Ontario, common at with many public park systems.

The fact is the parks are very busy and people struggle to get reservations. People treat it kind of like doing your taxes. If the system accepts it, people will do it.

I do think there are things they could do to minimize some of the games but I'm not sure how much political will there is to fix the problem.
- Limit reservation modifications. In particular the start date. Because the systems open reservations X days out, people figured out, book X+7 days before the start of a holiday weekend and you get in before people doing a legitimate booking for the holiday weekend. Maybe change it so the arrival date can't be changed by more than 2 days without making a completely new reservation (assuming there are available sites). That would address 99% of legitimate changes but reduce the majority of people gaming the system.
- Some people will simply pay for extra days to get a popular weekend. Public parks tend to be lower cost, so if the alternative is no site, they may be willing to pay an extra $100-150 if it gets them the site even if they don't use those nights. I'm not sure if it's still the rule but for Michigan state parks, it used to be, you had to have the RV (or tent) in the site and you had to stay overnight. That largely took care of this issue because if you didn't show up, you lost the reservation.


Tammy & Mike
Ford F250 V10
2021 Gray Wolf
Gemini Catamaran 34'
Full Time spliting time between boat and RV


toedtoes

California

Senior Member

Joined: 05/17/2014

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 04/28/22 08:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.


1975 American Clipper RV with Dodge 360 (photo in profile)
1998 American Clipper Fold n Roll Folding Trailer
Both born in Morgan Hill, CA to Irv Perch (Daddy of the Aristocrat trailers)

SideHillSoup

South Eastern British Columbia

Senior Member

Joined: 01/05/2006

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 04/28/22 09:30am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here in BC they updated “again” this year the BC Parks reservations system.
You can’t book a reservation more than 2 months in the future. So like today is April 28th, you can now book June 28th, however you can with that reservation book the 28th and up to 14 days after that.
You can only book 14 days at a time per campsite.
You loose your reservation completely if you don’t occupy that site by 11:am the next day, after date of arrival.
Can’t modify a reservation, so if you book a 7 day reservation, you can’t go back in and cancel a “couple” days on either end.
However you can cancel the entire reservation with restrictions ( ie. penalties, cancellation limitations)
It’s not perfect, but it’s getting better.


2018 Northern Lite 8-11 EX Dry Bath
2017 Sierra SLE, 3500 HD / 4x4 / Duramax with a 6 speed Allison Trans
Torklift Super Hitch 20K, 48" Super Truss, front and rear frame mounted tie downs
Fast Gun Long Range SS Turnbuckles, Fast Gun locks

ReneeG

Meridian, Idaho

Senior Member

Joined: 07/13/2005

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 04/28/22 10:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

toedtoes wrote:

The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.


This doesn't always work. We have a favorite FS CG here and they have this policy, but we've seen the reservers not show on the first, second, third nights and yet the site is still empty!


2011 Bighorn 3055RL
2011 F350 DRW 6.7L 4x4 Diesel Lariat and Hensley BD3
1992 Jeep ZJ and 1978 Coleman Concord Pop-Up for remote camping
Dave & Renee plus (Champ, Molly, Paris, Missy, and Maggie in spirit), Mica and Mabel, both Rat Terriers!


toedtoes

California

Senior Member

Joined: 05/17/2014

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 04/28/22 11:17am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ReneeG wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

The "must occupy the site on the first night of the reservation or you forfeit the entire reservation" is the standard to thwart this.

Some folks don't like it for various reasons, but it does stop the behavior.


This doesn't always work. We have a favorite FS CG here and they have this policy, but we've seen the reservers not show on the first, second, third nights and yet the site is still empty!


There are three things at play here:

1. just because a reservation is forfeited doesn't mean the site will be filled by another camper. This only opens up the site to folks who drive to the campground looking for first come first serve sites, or for people to make reservations online two-four days out.

2. it doesn't work if the individual campground doesn't enforce it. It requires a camphost or ranger to check the campsites each day at checkout time to see if it was occupied or not.

3. If the campground isn't booked solid, they may not worry about it as there are other spots available.

relaxin

Fenwick, Ontario

Senior Member

Joined: 03/12/2003

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 04/29/22 05:31am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I do have to admit the sheer level of this activity for the TG weekend is quite a bit less than last year, perhaps the crappy weather last year has made some folks hold off, or its like a domino effect, some watch the system and if the park they want starts to book up early they jump on the bandwagon and book early. Last year at this time the park we go to on TG was almost 3/4 booked on the serviced sites this year is far less, but some other parks have quite a few bookings already.
Its just annoying as one of the parks we want to go to this year for the last week of september, has a bunch of bookings, each 20 to 21 days ahead of the TG weekend, and of about a dozen sites that are on high ground ( that don't turn into a lake or mudhole in prolonged rains) that will fit our unit are all booked, I guess we'll have to wait to see when these folks start shortening their reservations, and freeing up some of these spaces.
For anyone who camps in Ontario start or keep sending letters to OnParks, they do respond to complaints and suggestions, it just takes a lot of letters and time.

StirCrazy

Kamloops, BC, Canada

Senior Member

Joined: 07/16/2003

View Profile



Posted: 04/29/22 06:46am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SideHillSoup wrote:


Can’t modify a reservation, so if you book a 7 day reservation, you can’t go back in and cancel a “couple” days on either end.
However you can cancel the entire reservation with restrictions ( ie. penalties, cancellation limitations).


Is that part new? you could modify your reservation to your hearts content last year as long as it was before the checkin date and you did it online or by calling in. this will be great if thats a new addition as it will stop people from booking a two week span then modifying it to the long weekend they were originaly wanting as the actual dates for that weekend came into the booking period.

Steve


2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumberqueen WS100

Reisender

NA

Senior Member

Joined: 12/09/2018

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 04/29/22 07:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SideHillSoup wrote:

Here in BC they updated “again” this year the BC Parks reservations system.
You can’t book a reservation more than 2 months in the future. So like today is April 28th, you can now book June 28th, however you can with that reservation book the 28th and up to 14 days after that.
You can only book 14 days at a time per campsite.
You loose your reservation completely if you don’t occupy that site by 11:am the next day, after date of arrival.
Can’t modify a reservation, so if you book a 7 day reservation, you can’t go back in and cancel a “couple” days on either end.
However you can cancel the entire reservation with restrictions ( ie. penalties, cancellation limitations)
It’s not perfect, but it’s getting better.


Hey Soup. Yep. It’s better this year. We have been out a few times this year already. Talking to the staff they also are keeping more first come first serve sites in reserve. Should be better.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 2  
Next

Open Roads Forum  >  RVing in Canada and Alaska  >  Canada

 > reservation system cheating still prolific in ontario parks.
Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in RVing in Canada and Alaska


New posts No new posts
Closed, new posts Closed, no new posts
Moved, new posts Moved, no new posts

Adjust text size:




© 2022 CWI, Inc. © 2022 Good Sam Enterprises, LLC. All Rights Reserved.