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Grit dog

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Posted: 04/30/22 01:39pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JimK-NY wrote:

You have a camper with a weight of about 2500# with standard equipment. Adding personal items, any additional accessories, outdoor chairs, etc, can easily raise the weight to the range of 3500-4000#. With that weight I am surprised the springs have only dropped a half inch or so. It is best to have the camper sitting flat in the bed or the truck. That helps to minimize strain and any potential damage to the floor or the camper or bed of the truck. A board under the back of the camper would also leave the truck pointing somewhat upwards and the headlights would not be aligned and would likely blind oncoming traffic.

There are a great many potential solutions, including Timbrens, Supersprings, and airbags. You should also weigh your rig to be sure it is within the load capacity of the truck and especially fails within the load capacity for the rear tires. Again, suspension mods mentioned can help but you may also need to upgrade your tires to higher load capacity.


You're as lost as the OP, except you're on a totally different topic that is not even part of the discussion, or the OP's purported concern...lol.


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I had the same issue & it was messing me up. 2011 F350 SRW crew cab, short box. I saw what you are seeing. Try this. Next time the camper is off, grab a 5 or 6 foot piece of straight hardwood. Place it across the top of the bedrails, right behind the back window. Measure to the truck bed. Then do the same thing slightly forward of the tailgate & see the difference in the measurement. Realizing that at least helped ME sleep better. For me it was an optical illusion for sure, but was caused by Ford.

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Posted: 04/30/22 07:45pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Our 01 ford long bed is 20" from floor to top of bed rail at the front,
20 1/2" toward the tail gate.


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JimK-NY wrote:

You have a camper with a weight of about 2500# with standard equipment. Adding personal items, any additional accessories, outdoor chairs, etc, can easily raise the weight to the range of 3500-4000#. With that weight I am surprised the springs have only dropped a half inch or so. It is best to have the camper sitting flat in the bed or the truck. That helps to minimize strain and any potential damage to the floor of the camper or bed of the truck. A board under the back of the camper would also leave the truck pointing somewhat upwards and the headlights would not be aligned and would likely blind oncoming traffic.

There are a great many potential solutions, including Timbrens, Supersprings, and airbags. You should also weigh your rig to be sure it is within the load capacity of the truck and especially fails within the load capacity for the rear tires. Again, suspension mods mentioned can help but you may also need to upgrade your tires to higher load capacity.


I have already upgraded my 2016 F250 with super prings and I have air bags installed and I added a swaybar to the rear since Ford no longer installs swaybars on their trucks. I'm running size 18 on my truck but was recommended to go the next level running 19 inch rims and 19 inch tires but ford says my 18 inch rims and tires are within the weight load for the truck and camper and it would be an over kill if I added 19 inch tires and rims. My super Springs weight max is 3,100 to help out with the load in the truck bed and my air bag are at 80 pounds each both the front and rear tire wells are level from the top to the street level so my truck is level and not rear end heavy or as most would say your ass is dragging. Ford measured my truck bed and it is level does not tapper to the tail gate and I don't have a bend in the truck bed floor all I have in the back is the stall pad for the camper to rest on. I hate beating a dead horse on this issue but it's just not sitting right and I know its going to bug me what I see other camper like mine on the same trucks that don't have this issue.

* This post was edited 05/01/22 08:44am by Rhodesia *

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Rhodesia wrote:

well I'm not level inside I have a bubble it looks like the camper can be lifted in the back on the camper by putting a 1/2 inch board underneath it just to level out the nose on the overhead part to make it even and not look like the nose part is pointing to the sky, you also can not even see the marker lights on top of the nose cap when looking from the front so in another words your marker lights are facing the sky. Again the ford dealership says my truck bed rail sides are not tapered to where the tail gate is higher than front of the truck bed even the bubble level says its even, But the Lance dealer still insist that this is correct and it will look like your camper is leaning at the back end. My center of gravity is correct and I have a 1/2 stall pad for a camper mat for the truck bed


look at the overhang over the cab, does that distance between them seem normal and even. if so then it is you truck that is saging in the back making it unlevel.

by tapered they do not mean they taper up. they taper inwards so the rails at the back of the truck are closer togeather than at the front of the box. this creats a optical ilusion with an overhang of a camper.


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Posted: 05/01/22 10:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I gather since you mentioned no rear sway bar that your truck doesn't have camper package- which I assume also doesn't have the upper overload springs?

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Rhodesia wrote:



I have already upgraded my 2016 F250 with super prings and I have air bags installed and I added a swaybar to the rear since Ford no longer installs swaybars on their trucks. I'm running size 18 on my truck but was recommended to go the next level running 19 inch rims and 19 inch tires but ford says my 18 inch rims and tires are within the weight load for the truck and camper and it would be an over kill if I added 19 inch tires and rims. My super Springs weight max is 3,100 to help out with the load in the truck bed and my air bag are at 80 pounds each both the front and rear tire wells are level from the top to the street level so my truck is level and not rear end heavy or as most would say your ass is dragging. Ford measured my truck bed and it is level does not tapper to the tail gate and I don't have a bend in the truck bed floor all I have in the back is the stall pad for the camper to rest on. I hate beating a dead horse on this issue but it's just not sitting right and I know its going to bug me what I see other camper like mine on the same trucks that don't have this issue.


It sounds like you have the best in upgrades and your truck should handle the weight really well.

Both Supersprings and airbags are adjustable. You should have no issue achieving level. I would get the truck on level ground...use a carpenters level. Then adjust Supersprings and/or airbags to level the camper. Then attach some stickon level gauges to your camper so that you can use blocks under the tires when on uneven ground.

Personally I would not even worry in the slightest about being 1/2" low in the back. In fact I would prefer that to being dead level. Being slightly out of level will not at all affect your refrigerator. My bed is North-South and I also prefer the North end level or even better slightly high.

Leveling when camping is almost always necessary. It is rare to have a dead level campground site.

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Thank you StirCrazy and Anev492. You actually understand what the issue (99% chance being there’s no actual issue) is or could be causing the illusion of.
ALL the rest of the talk about suspensions and whether the truck is “level” still have nothing to do with the OPs conundrum or query.
Maybe the OP will open his mind up enough to consider what you guys , I and I think one other have been saying.

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Rhodesia, something not mentioned yet in this thread but easily gleaned from another current thread is that the truck bed could be crowned front to back causing an actual difference compared to the camper sitting flat on the truck bed.
And some advice on your suspension, idk how you could possibly have enough suspension squat to “level” the truck with 3000lb helper springs and 80psi in airbags. Something isn’t adding up here as just the airbags at that pressure would take all the camper weight off the springs and likely raise the back end a little as well. Not to mention the additional helpers.
That is unless the truck has a significant level/lift kit in front and couldn’t take any weight without looking like it is dragging arse.
Or in short, your suspension setup in the rear is wrong and too stiff for the weight you’re carrying.
I do know your model of F250 has very compliant rear springs unless you have the camper package, so it’ll take more assistance than comparable trucks to hold the weight level, but still nowhere ESC what you’re running. It must drive like a pogo stick with that much air and none of your springs are doing any real work holding dead load.

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I bought a 2022 Ram longbed diesel dually in January. When I load up my Northstar 12STC (4800# ready to camp), it looks like its leaning back as well. I was thinking about installing airbags, but the top and bottom overloads are just engaged as it is now. The airbags would lift it off the overloads if I try to make it look level. Don't want that.

Instead, I reregistered my truck at 13,900# so it's legal. When the dealer registered it in January, they registered it for 9200#, which is 300# more than the truck weighs empty. I was going to leave the registration at 9200# and keep my fingers crossed I wouldn't get weighed, but the way it leans back makes me feel more likely to get weighed. Not a big deal, the difference between 9200# and 13,900# is only $35 / year. The worst part was waiting in line at the DMV - 3 windows open, 21 people in line.


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