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Grit dog

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ktmrfs wrote:

Johnsonty131 wrote:

Payload of my truck is 1826.
Towing capacity is 9400
Trailer is hitch 536
Dry weight 4800
Gross is 6000

I don’t have a weight distribution hitch yet just a plain 2 5/6 ball. Think I can get it home from a 2 hour drive?
Any reviews on this trailer also appreciated


what is the dead weight hitch rating on the truck? In many/most cases the max hitch load for dead weight (non WD) is lower, often significantly lower than WD rating. First thing is to make sure your not exceeding the hitch limit.


Too late...he was getting the trailer today. But so y'all can sleep tonight, his hitch will be just fine. I just went and looked in the owners manual of the "same" truck (2020 model) and the owners manual, nor the hitch even specify a tongue weight limit where a wdh is "required". Says any trailer over 7klbs requires a wdh.


(For the weight cops in the group, sorta gives credence to these numbers not being "that" critical, eh?)


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Just checked the owners manual since the trailering guide didn't have the info for the 1500 in 2019. It's 5,000/500 on the step ball, 7,000/700 on the hitch without weight distribution, and 1,250 for max tongue weight on the hitch with weight distribution.

That said, that's a lot of sail area for a 1500 so personally I'd want a weight distribution hitch with sway control for it but those are the official limits.


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Johnsonty131 wrote:

Ok well I have just a plain shank with a 2 inch drop an 5/16 ball. I was waiting to buy WDH because I thought it has to be specific to which ever camper I buy? I found one at harbor freights a hail master10,000 trailer weight. 1,000 max tongue weight. Class 3 and 4 hitches. I said I was getting that exact jayco camper but there is a chance we pick another today ( dealer has 3 all about same size and weight) thank you guys though.

The Horrible freight will work as a WDH, but it does little to nothing for sway. better to save your money for now, and buy a good hitch setup later with anti sway for maybe $50 more.
To get home, just go and tow it, plan on going slow, and keep things in sight. This isnt a Toyota commercial, and you are not pulling the space shuttle. Keep it simple, and take your time.

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The OEM receiver on the wifes 2016 1500 chevy crew cab 4wd short bed 5.3 with a 9200 lb tow rating says 1200 load and 12000 draw. No other info numbers on the OEM receiver sticker.
I use her 4wd truck pulling a 10000 lb gvwr car hauler with a 7640 lb blue tractor/cab. The tractor sits on 58" tall ag tires and makes a very top heavy load on the trailers deck. Trailer has around 9620-9680 lbs on the axles depending on implements on the tractor.
Actual scaled hitch load on the trucks rear axle is 1120 lbs and raises the trucks front 1 3/8".....rear drops 1 7/8".
I wouldn't be concerned with that small trailers 600-700 lb hitch weight without a WD hitch for just a 2 hr drive home.


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Thank you guys! The guy actually had a camco trekker with 1200 WDH with sway control. Drove half way home staying in hotel now and still feel very slight sway that experienced pullers probably don’t even notice.

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Thank you guys! The guy actually had a camco trekker with 1200 WDH with sway control. Drove half way home staying in hotel now and still feel very slight sway that experienced pullers probably don’t even notice.


Well, you have a wdh, albeit about twice as large as needed for that unit.
Congrats on the new camper.
TO ease your mind, trailers "wiggle" or more concisely, you can feel them track slightly different than the truck sometimes or alot of the time. Wind, wheel pat rutting, trailer reaction to slight driver inputs in the truck, longitudinal pavement joints, etc are all causes.
None of these conditions cause "sway", the dangerous sway that one can get with a severely overloaded tow vehicle, insufficient capacity or air in trailer tires, too light of tongue weight, too much weight too fat aft of trailer axles.
For some reason, RVers, maybe due to those who have not towed other trailers or less overall towing experience, seem to be very sensitive to the "feel" of a trailer compared to all others.

It's OK to feel the trailer back there. It's ok if it wiggles a little sometimes. Something is gonna happen. A F250 isn't going to handle like a Porsche and a long trailer isn't going to handle like an empty F250.
If you are having actual sway issues, you will know it. You won't have to discern whether it's "slight sway" or some other miniscule factor or movement.

Good luck and safe travels!

* This post was edited 05/20/22 09:11am by Grit dog *

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Thank you guys! The guy actually had a camco trekker with 1200 WDH with sway control. Drove half way home staying in hotel now and still feel very slight sway that experienced pullers probably don’t even notice.


If you were so nervous driving that trailer that after 1 hour you stopped and stayed the night in a hotel, you might reconsider RV life and look at renting a cabin in the woods...

Regarding this thread, the WDH argument reminds me of the "you need a 1 ton dually" argument.

I've towed 6-7K lbs horse trailers all over the northwest with a 1/2 ton bronco or 1/2 ton conversion van and never thought once about WDH. Didn't even know it was a thing until realizing everyone on this forum thinks you need one if you have a bumper pull trailer regardless of the truck pulling it. I have a friend with a trailer in the mid 20' range pulling with a 3/4 ton diesel and they sold her a WDH... really?

I understand if you have issues and feel excess sway driving down the highway or if you are towing at the ends of the limits of your vehicle, but for the average weight range? Really doesn't seem like a necessity.

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Thank you guys! The guy actually had a camco trekker with 1200 WDH with sway control. Drove half way home staying in hotel now and still feel very slight sway that experienced pullers probably don’t even notice.


If you were so nervous driving that trailer that after 1 hour you stopped and stayed the night in a hotel, you might reconsider RV life and look at renting a cabin in the woods...

Regarding this thread, the WDH argument reminds me of the "you need a 1 ton dually" argument.

I've towed 6-7K lbs horse trailers all over the northwest with a 1/2 ton bronco or 1/2 ton conversion van and never thought once about WDH. Didn't even know it was a thing until realizing everyone on this forum thinks you need one if you have a bumper pull trailer regardless of the truck pulling it. I have a friend with a trailer in the mid 20' range pulling with a 3/4 ton diesel and they sold her a WDH... really?

I understand if you have issues and feel excess sway driving down the highway or if you are towing at the ends of the limits of your vehicle, but for the average weight range? Really doesn't seem like a necessity.


I wasn’t going to comment on the hotel thing, I’d have stayed in the camper if I was spending the night with my new camper.
Throw some water in it, bring a couple sleeping. Bags, or buy a couple at the Wallyworld for less than a hotel room and have a camping trip!

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@Thermoguy….thank you for not letting me be the only person who takes a realistic approach to towing.
The wdh thing really is a RVer phenomenon…

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Johnsonty131 wrote:

Thank you guys! The guy actually had a camco trekker with 1200 WDH with sway control. Drove half way home staying in hotel now and still feel very slight sway that experienced pullers probably don’t even notice.


If you were so nervous driving that trailer that after 1 hour you stopped and stayed the night in a hotel, you might reconsider RV life and look at renting a cabin in the woods...

Regarding this thread, the WDH argument reminds me of the "you need a 1 ton dually" argument.

I've towed 6-7K lbs horse trailers all over the northwest with a 1/2 ton bronco or 1/2 ton conversion van and never thought once about WDH. Didn't even know it was a thing until realizing everyone on this forum thinks you need one if you have a bumper pull trailer regardless of the truck pulling it. I have a friend with a trailer in the mid 20' range pulling with a 3/4 ton diesel and they sold her a WDH... really?

I understand if you have issues and feel excess sway driving down the highway or if you are towing at the ends of the limits of your vehicle, but for the average weight range? Really doesn't seem like a necessity.


In rethinking my rude comment to the OP - the truth is, driving with a trailer is no different than driving without a trailer. The difference is, just make all of your movements slower, accelerate slower, stop way slower, take corners way slower. But on an interstate, just keep your speeds reasonable, try to keep up with traffic, not 85MPH Texas highways, but 65 should be OK. On 2 lane highways, when there is a curve, that warning sign is now for you with a trailer. Go that speed or slower - just take it easy. Practice backing, backing is probably the most difficult maneuver when towing. Going forward is easy, just give everyone lots of space, and make sure they give you lots of space, stay in the right lane, pass when you can get past, don't sit in the middle or left lane. Watch for merging traffic, change lanes or slow down if needed, just don't be in a hurry. Before getting an RV, most of my towing was with horses, you can't make any sudden movements for the safety of the horse, and when 2-3,000lbs of animal shifts, you know it. RV's don't do that.

The point - just take it easy and enjoy the drive, don't get so stressed about all the stuff. Towing should be as easy as driving without that trailer. If it isn't look at your setup and see where you can improve. With your new little trailer, you should be just fine with the setup you have.

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