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Scottiemom wrote:

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When traveling back and forth from WA to SoCal I don't waste my money at a RV Resort. I stay at Rest Areas when I get tired for a few hours. I also stay at "Animal Clubs" CampGround at a minimal expense.



What are "Animal Clubs" Campgrounds?


You will have to think about that one as I don't want to give out the best kept secret for cheap places to stay. [emoticon]


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Sun recently purchased frontier towne in OC.
I feared for the worst. However it has not been as bad as expected.
They added a new fully paved full hook up section that is very nice.
I agree rates increased substantially, but I'm sure adding 50 full hook up sites was a few million dollar project.
As mentioned Frontier towne is in a resort town and will never be an economy destination.
There are budget friendly destinations but they are generally not located in prime tourist areas
You cannot realistically compare resort town CG prices to other non resort CG's.
You need to consider what hotels and condo's go for in resort areas to get a better feel for pricing.


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Our group has been camping so long, we’re getting burnt out on SPs. We make our plans in Jan and Feb for the SPs and we have also found nice private CGs in the low 60s.
We’re all retired so we camp on the weekdays. I miss all the boondocking places in the Az. Mtns. That was, by far, the greatest! Camping isn’t the cheapest hobby but it’s sure fun with a good group… potlucks, day trips etc. Craig

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I've been camping my whole life and have had travel trailers for the past 18 years and never thought I would see site prices even come close to approaching what I have been seeing lately.

When we started full timing in 2013, I kept track of the costs for the campgrounds we stayed in that year (about 40).

In 2023 we're going back to some of those campgrounds and here's a cost-per-day comparison for some of them:

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Thankfully state parks (which we love and prefer) have kept prices somewhat flat, but we can rarely get a site at state parks. We are not year in advance planners outside of 1 trip each year so we rarely get in.

When we started RVing in 2004, we always planned ahead. We had to in order to get prime spots in state campgrounds.

Now, things are even worse, for both public and private campground reservations. So we reserve as far as possible in advance and try to get a site at the exact time when the registration "window" opens up.


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Lantley wrote:

Sun recently purchased frontier towne in OC.
I feared for the worst. However it has not been as bad as expected.
They added a new fully paved full hook up section that is very nice.
I agree rates increased substantially, but I'm sure adding 50 full hook up sites was a few million dollar project.
As mentioned Frontier towne is in a resort town and will never be an economy destination.
There are budget friendly destinations but they are generally not located in prime tourist areas
You cannot realistically compare resort town CG prices to other non resort CG's.
You need to consider what hotels and condo's go for in resort areas to get a better feel for pricing.


Not comparing resort to non resort. Just saying that those 2 in particular you mentioned had a range of prices over Memorial Day of $200-350 per night. That’s insane and as mentioned in my first post, I’m sure was the reason they did not sell out. They are both decent places but I have stayed at far far better for a small fraction of the price. You could never touch a site at one of those two resorts over Memorial Day if you did not book far in advance. Now that they are owned by the corporations who jacked the prices to more than double with the private owners used to charge they are not Selling out. Again $350!!! Now I know that is not their regular price on a non-holiday weekend but Just poking around I have noticed even their regular weekend rates have gone up substantially as have every other park purchased by corporations that I pay attention to.

I appreciate all of the comments on this thread. It’s great to hear all the different perspectives from all of the different areas of the country. At the same time it’s just a shame to see the costs continue to rise with very little improvement. It’s also a shame to see two or three large corporations buying up so many of our favorite private resorts and essentially ruining them with decreased service and increased pricing.

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kfp673 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Sun recently purchased frontier towne in OC.
I feared for the worst. However it has not been as bad as expected.
They added a new fully paved full hook up section that is very nice.
I agree rates increased substantially, but I'm sure adding 50 full hook up sites was a few million dollar project.
As mentioned Frontier towne is in a resort town and will never be an economy destination.
There are budget friendly destinations but they are generally not located in prime tourist areas
You cannot realistically compare resort town CG prices to other non resort CG's.
You need to consider what hotels and condo's go for in resort areas to get a better feel for pricing.


Not comparing resort to non resort. Just saying that those 2 in particular you mentioned had a range of prices over Memorial Day of $200-350 per night. That’s insane and as mentioned in my first post, I’m sure was the reason they did not sell out. They are both decent places but I have stayed at far far better for a small fraction of the price. You could never touch a site at one of those two resorts over Memorial Day if you did not book far in advance. Now that they are owned by the corporations who jacked the prices to more than double with the private owners used to charge they are not Selling out. Again $350!!! Now I know that is not their regular price on a non-holiday weekend but Just poking around I have noticed even their regular weekend rates have gone up substantially as have every other park purchased by corporations that I pay attention to.

I appreciate all of the comments on this thread. It’s great to hear all the different perspectives from all of the different areas of the country. At the same time it’s just a shame to see the costs continue to rise with very little improvement. It’s also a shame to see two or three large corporations buying up so many of our favorite private resorts and essentially ruining them with decreased service and increased pricing.
Selling out is not the goal of a business, maximizing profitability is. It is much more profitable for a park to be 75% full at $250 or $300 a night than it is to be sold out at $100 a night. Like hotels, airlines, and many other businesses RV parks are adopting dynamic pricing. Peak demand dates will have peak pricing. Thank computers for making it easy to implement. You are going to see it more and more.

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Michelle.S wrote:

The OP must frequent fancier places than we do. We just completed our annual trek from Central Florida to Western New York and paid between $25 to $45 per nite with Full Hook-Up 50 amp for our 4 stop overs.


Yeah, there are a few prime locations at prime times that can get pricey but $25-45/n is pretty much what we plan on.

Of course, last minute holiday site, they got you by the short hairs. Either pay up or don't go.


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Scottiemom wrote:

When traveling back and forth from WA to SoCal I don't waste my money at a RV Resort. I stay at Rest Areas when I get tired for a few hours. I also stay at "Animal Clubs" CampGround at a minimal expense.



What are "Animal Clubs" Campgrounds?


I believe he's trying to be cute about staying at Elks Lodges. Many have a campsite or two set up for out of town members.

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kfp673 wrote:

Preaching to the choir, beating a dead horse, etc etc I know but I still have to vent.

I've been camping my whole life and have had travel trailers for the past 18 years and never thought I would see site prices even come close to approaching what I have been seeing lately. Thankfully state parks (which we love and prefer) have kept prices somewhat flat, but we can rarely get a site at state parks. We are not year in advance planners outside of 1 trip each year so we rarely get in. We do it all from boondocking to "luxury RV resorts". The mid tier to "luxury" range has always been from $65-$150 that we have seen, and places like Fort wilderness up around $200. While looking for a site over memorial day weekend, we found a few near Ocean City MD, NJ, and elsewhere that we have used in the past (but not for the last 5 years) that ranged $200-$350 per night! Are they crazy?!?! It's a darn camp site not an all inclusive resort!! It's no wonder the few we found in that price point were not sold out over the holiday weekend. And, KOA's and others we looked at similar to KOA's are all over $100 now. We ended up boondocking and had a great time but we are finding our boondocks sites are far busier now likely because of it. I just can't believe anyone would pay even $150+ let alone $300+ per night at any RV resort / campground. For that price it should include food delivered to my camper, unlimited cocktails, and someone should come make my bed and clean my camper each day. I really hope people continue refusing the Sun RV and others like it so prices start dipping again. This is not inflation. This is "because we can" greed and its ruining camping for those of us without deep bank accounts.

Sorry for the rant ;-)


If your talking about Frontiertown by Ocean City MD? Last year I recommended the resort campground to a friend who had a young family. They absolutely had a blast and are returning again this year. The placed is a true resort with a water park and loads of other amenities. I remember him commenting on how expensive the place was but I don't think it was in the $200 range but I could be wrong. also he didn't go on the Big 3 holidays so maybe he got a better deal.

This year were going to Sun Outdoors Association Island, NY I think I'm paying just over $110 per night, waterfront on Lake Ontario. [emoticon] Next year I was told prices go up because of the resort expanding.

Mike


I just re-booked Sun Outdoors Association Island for 2023, same time. Rates are staying the same for 2023, $110 per night including site lock fee.

I just looked at the reviews for Frontiertown on RV life, Ouch! you were right some of the reviews had posted rates of $175 and $200.

20 years ago we did a bunch of similar type parks. Lots of young Rvers only get a few weeks vacation to spend with family so thats when you need to make it count.

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Those of you familiar with Frontier towne. Have you checked out the new full hook up section? Those sites are $150.00 or so a night. It's hard to justify $150.00 a night on the other hand I'm sure cost millions, not thousands to create 70 or so new paved full hook up sites. With new modern bath house and laundry.
In order for Sun or anyone else to invest millions in their properties they expect substantial return.
So far Sun's Frontier towne has done alright by me. I'm not happy about the price increase, but I do notice the substantial investments being made at the property.
Truth is I could stay in the older much less expensive W/E no sewer grass sites.
However I prefer the new sites with all the amenities and I'm willing to pay a premium.
Sun understands there is demand for better sites and they are attempting to meet the demand, Sun has the resources and capitol that the Family run CG's could never come up with.
I have been going to Frontier towne since I was a teenager. I feared that the corporate buyout would ruin Frontiertowne, however the buyout has breathed new life into the CG.
Yes the rates have increased, but those increases appear to have funded major improvements and expansion within the CG.
Whenever I go to Frontiertown I have a great time. Yes I grumble about the prices, but compared to a week stay in a OC condo I'm still way ahead of the game.

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