Jun-07-2022 11:02 AM
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Jul-10-2022 02:21 PM
Jul-10-2022 01:05 PM
Thermoguy wrote:
Hi Groover
So, what would be a test where someone could test a Hybrid towing a trailer that would be a fair test for the Hybrid but also show how people use there trucks towing a trailer? Outside of stop and go traffic, which is typically for commuter and only occasionally for an RVer that got stuck in traffic.
Thanks
Jul-07-2022 12:38 PM
Groover wrote:valhalla360 wrote:Groover wrote:
All of the towing tests that I have seen are designed in a way that avoids taking advantage of the hybrid capabilities but I believe that the way that I do most of my towing I would benefit. I was hoping to get some results from driving similar to mine.
I don't think it's designed to "avoid taking advantage of the hybrid capabilities". I think it's designed to mimic typical towing scenarios.
Not many people purposely drive in stop & go traffic while towing an RV. Typically, they are getting out of town on the open road where they can just hum along at a steady speed. It just happens that it doesn't favor a hybrid solution.
By contrast, if you are buying a commuter car (or truck), it's very typical to wind up in stop & go conditions that favor a hybrid.
No secret agenda, just how each vehicle is typically used.
I did not say that it was done on purpose, just stated that it was done. I understand that tests are only of value if they are repeatable and the simple test procedure used is easy to repeat. Now that new technology has come along the simple test may not reflect the benefits of that new tech. Also, you have a good point that many campers do long hauls and may not see much benefit from hybrids either. But that is not the way that I use my truck and I have been looking for information more relevant to my use.
I did find it a bit appalling that TFL Trucks did trumpet the news that the hybrid did not help their towing fuel economy in their test. Anyone that knows how hybrids work could have told them that in advance. If they wanted to earn my respect they would have devised tests to make use of the hybrid system and compared it with a non-hybrid so that there would have been some relevant information in the article.
Jul-07-2022 07:18 AM
Jul-07-2022 06:28 AM
Dadoffourgirls wrote:Groover wrote:
...If they wanted to earn my respect they would have devised tests to make use of the hybrid system and compared it with a non-hybrid so that there would have been some relevant information in the article.
You may mean, if they wanted to support my agenda, they would have devised tests to support my beliefs.
Jul-07-2022 03:50 AM
Groover wrote:
...If they wanted to earn my respect they would have devised tests to make use of the hybrid system and compared it with a non-hybrid so that there would have been some relevant information in the article.
Jul-06-2022 04:38 PM
valhalla360 wrote:Groover wrote:
All of the towing tests that I have seen are designed in a way that avoids taking advantage of the hybrid capabilities but I believe that the way that I do most of my towing I would benefit. I was hoping to get some results from driving similar to mine.
I don't think it's designed to "avoid taking advantage of the hybrid capabilities". I think it's designed to mimic typical towing scenarios.
Not many people purposely drive in stop & go traffic while towing an RV. Typically, they are getting out of town on the open road where they can just hum along at a steady speed. It just happens that it doesn't favor a hybrid solution.
By contrast, if you are buying a commuter car (or truck), it's very typical to wind up in stop & go conditions that favor a hybrid.
No secret agenda, just how each vehicle is typically used.
Jul-06-2022 08:30 AM
aftermath wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
The impact is reduced fuel economy. The hybrid shines when driving in town only.
Not to start any wars here but, isn't this the same argument for the Eco-Boost? I have a friend who gets basically the same mpg I get while towing with my Tundra. It is sort of a wash until you factor in what he gets while not towing. Wowsa, I am glad that I don't have to use my Tundra as a daily driver. Is this the same kind of thing that hybrid owners are experiencing?
Jul-06-2022 08:24 AM
Groover wrote:
All of the towing tests that I have seen are designed in a way that avoids taking advantage of the hybrid capabilities but I believe that the way that I do most of my towing I would benefit. I was hoping to get some results from driving similar to mine.
Jul-06-2022 07:53 AM
mkirsch wrote:aftermath wrote:
Not to start any wars here but, isn't this the same argument for the Eco-Boost? I have a friend who gets basically the same mpg I get while towing with my Tundra. It is sort of a wash until you factor in what he gets while not towing. Wowsa, I am glad that I don't have to use my Tundra as a daily driver. Is this the same kind of thing that hybrid owners are experiencing?
It's because none of the "cool kids" have hybrids yet. Once the "cool kids" started getting into the EcoBoost, it became acceptable.
That said I bet I could get 24 with the hybrid. I regularly get 20 with my 5.3L even running on 7 cylinders.
Jul-06-2022 05:21 AM
aftermath wrote:
Not to start any wars here but, isn't this the same argument for the Eco-Boost? I have a friend who gets basically the same mpg I get while towing with my Tundra. It is sort of a wash until you factor in what he gets while not towing. Wowsa, I am glad that I don't have to use my Tundra as a daily driver. Is this the same kind of thing that hybrid owners are experiencing?
Jul-05-2022 09:10 PM
FishOnOne wrote:
The impact is reduced fuel economy. The hybrid shines when driving in town only.
Jul-04-2022 01:49 PM
Jul-04-2022 01:39 PM
Edmonds wrote:
If you are towing a trailer, hauling a heavy payload or drag racing your buddy's Raptor, the F-150 Hybrid's torque is your friend.