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IdaD

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Posted: 06/08/22 03:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It just boils down to whether the GVWR matters to you or not.

If you want the higher GVWR for aesthetics or bragging rights or maybe it even has some legal significance in Canada or Antarctica or wherever, get a truck that comes with that higher rating.

If you want the 10k lb GVWR because of neighborhood rules or highway restrictions or whatever else might complicate things, get a truck that comes with a 10k lb rating.

If neither is important to you, get the best deal you can and don't sweat it - the decal on your fender doesn't mean anything.


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Posted: 06/08/22 03:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

IdaD wrote:

....the decal on your fender doesn't mean anything.


My 3500 has a 7,000 lb rear axle rating....the same truck in a 2500 has a 6,000 lb rear axle rating. Not where you want to be when you scale at 6,020 on the rear axle. Is that simply tire rating or is the axle different? What else affects RAWR?

I agree GVWR is a warranty rating, axle ratings are a safety issue.

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BurbMan wrote:

IdaD wrote:

....the decal on your fender doesn't mean anything.


My 3500 has a 7,000 lb rear axle rating....the same truck in a 2500 has a 6,000 lb rear axle rating. Not where you want to be when you scale at 6,020 on the rear axle. Is that simply tire rating or is the axle different? What else affects RAWR?

I agree GVWR is a warranty rating, axle ratings are a safety issue.


It's actually 6500 lbs, I have a 2015 Ram 2500. The only difference between the two trucks is related to the rear suspension. I'm pretty confident that the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated for 8000 lbs adequately cover that 500 lb difference. At best we're splitting hairs.

Would you really worry about being 20 lbs off? Sad day when you get to go camping but have to leave your case of beer at home.

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You're right, I didn't scroll down through the 2015 Ram 2500 Towing Chart far enough....it's either 6000, 6200 or 6500 depending on model configuration, and somehow the rating gets magically changed on the Canadian model....

Of course 20 lbs is not a big deal, but I like to have a little margin built in because it would be more than that with a full water tank (extra 50 gals), maybe extra passengers in the back seat etc. No way the beer is staying home [emoticon]

Not trying to split hairs, just give the OP some real world data so he can buy the truck that's right for him. I originally bought this truck to carry a Lance TC, had no intention of buying a 5er, but here we are....I lucked out on the numbers.

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Don
If you're 20 lbs over a rating per say, the change that an LEO/CVEO will cite with an over wieght ticket is slim and none, assuming you using the RA numbers mentioned. I've been upwards of 50% over and NOT been given over wieght tickets.
You have to stay under federal bridge law amounts, which is probably 9500-11000 lbs per axle on your truck. Or if majorally over your paid for amount. Even at that, as has happened to me, I got a 10 day raise gvw up 2000 lbs. $15-20 here in Wa St. I was 1200 over paid for total.
As I said earlier in a joke to a degree, the answer to OP, your example, clear as mud!
Do you follow warranty/performance rating? Or legal rating per FBL. If on follows warranty ratings, you'll never be over wieght from a legal standpoint.

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IdaD wrote:

BurbMan wrote:

IdaD wrote:

....the decal on your fender doesn't mean anything.


My 3500 has a 7,000 lb rear axle rating....the same truck in a 2500 has a 6,000 lb rear axle rating. Not where you want to be when you scale at 6,020 on the rear axle. Is that simply tire rating or is the axle different? What else affects RAWR?

I agree GVWR is a warranty rating, axle ratings are a safety issue.


It's actually 6500 lbs, I have a 2015 Ram 2500. The only difference between the two trucks is related to the rear suspension. I'm pretty confident that the Timbrens I put on my truck that are rated for 8000 lbs adequately cover that 500 lb difference. At best we're splitting hairs.

Would you really worry about being 20 lbs off? Sad day when you get to go camping but have to leave your case of beer at home.


Burb Man is trolling...nothing more. Axles, wheels and tires are the same. You get it, I get it, many refuse to get it, either out of unfounded fear or the inability to even consider that they may be wrong.


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BurbMan wrote:

You're right, I didn't scroll down through the 2015 Ram 2500 Towing Chart far enough....it's either 6000, 6200 or 6500 depending on model configuration, and somehow the rating gets magically changed on the Canadian model....

Of course 20 lbs is not a big deal, but I like to have a little margin built in because it would be more than that with a full water tank (extra 50 gals), maybe extra passengers in the back seat etc. No way the beer is staying home [emoticon]

Not trying to split hairs, just give the OP some real world data so he can buy the truck that's right for him. I originally bought this truck to carry a Lance TC, had no intention of buying a 5er, but here we are....I lucked out on the numbers.



Since you're about data, what data can you cite that makes the SAME AAM 11.5 axle good for 6k under 1 truck, 7k under another truck and 10k under a third truck actually be "different."
And how does a new GM HD 2500 that used to have a 10k gvwr, an AAM 11.5 axle, and say 2000lbs of payload rating, get an 11,150 gvwr, AAM 11.5 axle and over 3000lbs of payload on an apples to apples truck?

Answer, they upped the "rating" and changed nothing under the truck because the truck was already capable of handling it and the lower rating was neutered to keep it within the class 2 DOT rating.

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blt2ski wrote:

Don
If you're 20 lbs over a rating per say, the change that an LEO/CVEO will cite with an over wieght ticket is slim and none, assuming you using the RA numbers mentioned. I've been upwards of 50% over and NOT been given over wieght tickets.
You have to stay under federal bridge law amounts, which is probably 9500-11000 lbs per axle on your truck. Or if majorally over your paid for amount. Even at that, as has happened to me, I got a 10 day raise gvw up 2000 lbs. $15-20 here in Wa St. I was 1200 over paid for total.
As I said earlier in a joke to a degree, the answer to OP, your example, clear as mud!
Do you follow warranty/performance rating? Or legal rating per FBL. If on follows warranty ratings, you'll never be over wieght from a legal standpoint.

Marty


I'll go one step further than what Marty said and say that slim left the room!
There is nothing illegal, at all, about exceeding the mfgs suggested axle ratings on a light duty truck. And I'll eat my shorts if you can break road an bridge axle weight limits in a 3/4 ton truck!
Heck you guys act like they're only good for half of what they're good for in the first place. And I frankly usually don't care and will load a truck up until I can make a 10 ply tire squat, if I need to, and I couldn't even come close to breaking bridge laws!


PS Op will likely be done with this now, and partly my fault, dragging myself into this discussion to disspel the rvnet myths, yet once again! LOL

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At least we did not tell him he needed to wait for an electric semi to haul the trailer [emoticon]


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S Davis wrote:

If you like messing with your vehicles go 3/4 ton, I towed a 14,000lb gooseneck with a 2013 2500HD and had to add helper springs, upgraded shocks and upgraded tires. My pin weight was over 3000lbs.


Gooseneck trailers have lower pin weight typically around 15%. 14k at 15% is only 2,100#, if your 3k is correct something was not loaded properly.

Many 5er's are 25% pin and that would be 3,500# pin weight.

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