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Grit dog

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Posted: 06/17/22 11:40am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

time2roll wrote:

What if it was a front tire?


I'll answer your question with a question...
What if you could actually add meaningful content when you post?


But to be fair, and not where you were going with your question, stock for stock, a srw has significantly higher front tire weight ratings than a dually where the front tires are closer to being maxxed out.


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Grit dog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

What if it was a front tire?


I'll answer your question with a question...
What if you could actually add meaningful content when you post?
And I will add another question... why am I not on your ignore list?


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What if it was a front tire?

Fair question.....
Having made a living with SRW and drw LDTs pulling 15k to 22k GN/pintle trailers or 10k-12k bumper pull enclosed trailers I had my share of actual blowouts on both size trucks....front and rear.
A actual blowout or run flat on the rear of either truck simply wasn't that big of a deal even with a heavy fully loaded 22k gross weight trailer pushing the back end around. Good trailer braking kept the combo going straight till shutdown.

Front tire blowout ??? Now that is serious with a heavy trailer back there pushing the back of the truck one way then another even with good trailer braking.


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Grit dog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

What if it was a front tire?


I'll answer your question with a question...
What if you could actually add meaningful content when you post?


But to be fair, and not where you were going with your question, stock for stock, a srw has significantly higher front tire weight ratings than a dually where the front tires are closer to being maxxed out.


Actually I like the "what if it were a front tire?"

Having had one or two front blow outs, those are way worst than rear blow outs, be it a single or dual. I've had more dw blow outs than singles!

Reality, the safety factor of a dual vs single is only in the drivers brain. Otherwise there is no difference in any test I've seen, etc.

Reality, a super wide single is better option than duals. Less overall wieght per corner, better mpg, braking etc.

In the dot class 3 truck world, singles vs duals have a couple tiny better advantages. Overall, same gawr v gawr, the single is afraid of the game.

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Are there any SRW with more that a rear axle rating of 7,000 lbs? When I towed a large 16K fifth wheel, I picked one with a 2435 dry pin weight. Which I verified when the manufacturer. Loaded for snowbirding/full timing for two years. My rear axle scaled weight was 6750 with a 7,000 RGAWR. Truck was a 2015 RAM 3500 4x4 Laramie with the heavier Aisin tranny. No generator or W/D in the trailer.

I see many SRW trucks towing large trailers that I know have put the trailer over the truck rear axle/tire ratings.

My combined weight was 24,500 lbs.

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Me Again wrote:

Are there any SRW with more that a rear axle rating of 7,000 lbs?

I see many SRW trucks towing large trailers that I know have put the trailer over the truck rear axle/tire ratings.



Not really (without checking every truck spec) as the rawr limitations on srw 1 tons (and 3/4 tons for that matter...here we go! lol) are generally/historically limited by wheel/rim ratings of 3500lbs ish per wheel.
Bout every full floating axle out there is good for a minimum of 9klbs up to generally 10klbs or more.

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blt2ski wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

What if it was a front tire?


I'll answer your question with a question...
What if you could actually add meaningful content when you post?


But to be fair, and not where you were going with your question, stock for stock, a srw has significantly higher front tire weight ratings than a dually where the front tires are closer to being maxxed out.


Actually I like the "what if it were a front tire?"

Having had one or two front blow outs, those are way worst than rear blow outs, be it a single or dual. I've had more dw blow outs than singles!

Reality, the safety factor of a dual vs single is only in the drivers brain. Otherwise there is no difference in any test I've seen, etc.

Reality, a super wide single is better option than duals. Less overall wieght per corner, better mpg, braking etc.

In the dot class 3 truck world, singles vs duals have a couple tiny better advantages. Overall, same gawr v gawr, the single is afraid of the game.

Marty


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(It was a leading question, to aimlessly refute the safety net of a dual rear wheel when only a single front is available.)

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JIMNLIN wrote:

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What if it was a front tire?

Fair question.....
Having made a living with SRW and drw LDTs pulling 15k to 22k GN/pintle trailers or 10k-12k bumper pull enclosed trailers I had my share of actual blowouts on both size trucks....front and rear.
A actual blowout or run flat on the rear of either truck simply wasn't that big of a deal even with a heavy fully loaded 22k gross weight trailer pushing the back end around. Good trailer braking kept the combo going straight till shutdown.

Front tire blowout ??? Now that is serious with a heavy trailer back there pushing the back of the truck one way then another even with good trailer braking.


time2roll is on a roll! 2 fish with one cast!
Remember, he's not thinking in practical, probable, real world terms...

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^^ my 2020 has a RAWR of 7240


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^ Yup, Chris should know Ford has the higher than 7K rating, since he has left the Mafia brand, and joined the blue oval club!

Even in 2013, you could get a F350 SRW with RAWR 7,280!

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