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valhalla360

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Posted: 06/23/22 06:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Mostly the media making it easier to distribute news. 40-50yrs ago, you likely would never hear about a stray murder 1000miles away. Now your internet news feed will pop up with murder news from every podunk town across the country. The podunk towns were still having murders back 50yrs ago but you just never heard about them.

With modern tools, you can check out reviews of locations which likely makes it even safer to travel with an RV.

Another added benefit is newer tow vehicles are far safer.


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Don't blame it on the media.
My comments are based on nearby events.
As to the facts: Baton Rouge population 227000
Crime index 2 (100 is safest)
Chance of becoming victim of violent crime 1 in 108
Chance of becoming victim of property crime 1 in 21
3 times the national average in burglary, theft, and car theft
6 times the national average in murder
3 times national average in robbery
Nearly 3 times national average in assault

No my friends it is not the media's fault. It is society's fault.
Maybe not in your area but at least in Baton Rouge the bodies are in fact piling up.

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Posted: 06/23/22 08:03am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

bgum wrote:

Don't blame it on the media.
My comments are based on nearby events.
As to the facts: Baton Rouge population 227000
Crime index 2 (100 is safest)
Chance of becoming victim of violent crime 1 in 108
Chance of becoming victim of property crime 1 in 21
3 times the national average in burglary, theft, and car theft
6 times the national average in murder
3 times national average in robbery
Nearly 3 times national average in assault

No my friends it is not the media's fault. It is society's fault.
Maybe not in your area but at least in Baton Rouge the bodies are in fact piling up.


By itself, those numbers are meaningless.
- There is no comparison over time, so there is no way to determine if this is better or worse than in the past.
- Looks like cherry picking one bad area...as evidenced by the fact you indicate they are X times the national average. This implies there are other urban areas where the risk is much lower than the national average.
- How many of those victims knew or were in some way party to creating the incident. Vast majority of violent crime victims, knew their assailant. In many cases, they were at least partly at fault as different gangs are feuding back and forth.

So if you boondock in the BR ghettos and try to shaft the local crack dealer...yeah, expect bad things but I doubt many RVers are likely to be impacted by that staying out at a walmart for the night in the middle class suburbs.

Of course, it proves my point. 50yrs ago, you likely would have no idea what the BR crime stats were, so you wouldn't be able to spread fear over them. Now it's easy to and the media finds it easy also.

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bgum wrote:

Don't blame it on the media.
My comments are based on nearby events.
As to the facts: Baton Rouge population 227000
Crime index 2 (100 is safest)
Chance of becoming victim of violent crime 1 in 108
Chance of becoming victim of property crime 1 in 21
3 times the national average in burglary, theft, and car theft
6 times the national average in murder
3 times national average in robbery
Nearly 3 times national average in assault

No my friends it is not the media's fault. It is society's fault.
Maybe not in your area but at least in Baton Rouge the bodies are in fact piling up.


I have not had the hankering to camp on the wrong side of the tracks in Baton Rouge for quite awhile, or Detroit MI either.

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You folks should be aware that it is the danger of a stray bullet. The perps are mobile and they do not restrict themselves to their neighborhood. Also those little lead bullets do not halt at property lines. I have lived in Chicago, near Baltimore, and in Washington DC in the 60s and 70s. None were as dangerous as baton rouge is today. You can concoct all kinds of reasons to ignore the facts of life in America today but the facts speak for themselves.

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bgum wrote:

You folks should be aware that it is the danger of a stray bullet. The perps are mobile and they do not restrict themselves to their neighborhood. Also those little lead bullets do not halt at property lines. I have lived in Chicago, near Baltimore, and in Washington DC in the 60s and 70s. None were as dangerous as baton rouge is today. You can concoct all kinds of reasons to ignore the facts of life in America today but the facts speak for themselves.


What in the hell does the crime situation in Baton Rouge have to do with camping safety?0 Lots of folks camping there? I go to state and ACOE campgrounds in MI,OH, PA on a regular basis and have been doing so for 25 years. I have never seen nor heard about any crime happening in these campgrounds, not even so much as a stick of firewood stolen. I will however keep my ears open for the whiz of stray bullets when the perps and homies are cruising through the campground next time I am at one

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fj12ryder wrote:

Probably a little more risk if you're staying in sketchy places, which have increased in numbers. There's more people, more touchy people, more angry people, most of whom are encouraged by the media to act out their issues.


I agree with all things mentioned, and the way over done media attention, almost making celebrities, of people committing vicious acts against others.

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Posted: 06/23/22 11:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

bgum wrote:

You folks should be aware that it is the danger of a stray bullet. The perps are mobile and they do not restrict themselves to their neighborhood. Also those little lead bullets do not halt at property lines. I have lived in Chicago, near Baltimore, and in Washington DC in the 60s and 70s. None were as dangerous as baton rouge is today. You can concoct all kinds of reasons to ignore the facts of life in America today but the facts speak for themselves.


Do you have any stats to back that up your assertions?

How to the stats from the 60-70s in Chicago, Baltimore and Washington compare to BR today? Or from 60-70's BR to today? What about national level stats? Or probably more relevant rural area stats where RVers are likely to be?

How many RVers have been taken out by stray bullets?

I'm willing to listen to facts but so far, you haven't provided anything relevant to your average RVer.

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Posted: 06/23/22 12:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gangs are not driving into Yellowstone commiting drive by shootings against each other, so the risk of a stray bullet hitting a camper is negligable.

Someone stopping overnight in a Walmart parking lot in a bad neighborhood is putting themselves at risk - just like 40 years ago - is the risk greater? Possibly. But the risk was big enough then to stop people from doing it.

Like everything else in life, common sense goes a long way.


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WOW, the OP just wanted some info on safe camping. Hopefully all this and that didn't or doesn't discourage them. OP, just do it, and enjoy it and like said a number of times, be aware, use your gut and eyes, you'll be fine. so safe travels,

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