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Posted: 06/29/22 07:29am

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BB_TX wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

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A completely pointless video. No one with any towing knowledge expects current EVs to come even close to towing with an ICE engine. Video hints at being anti EV and leans toward being a GM promotional video.

I don't know about that? [emoticon]

There are several people on this very forum that think there will be a Semi out any day that will haul 80 thousand lbs and go 621 mile on some sort of magical pixie dust LI battery.
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And some day they will. But not today or tomorrow or in the near future. Probably not in my lifetime. But the day will come.

Not likely, except for a specialty situation in Michigan, Your average enclosed semi trailer maxes out around 45k lbs of cargo. 80k lb is the gross weight limit which includes the weight of the truck and trailer. Cargo capacity is whatever is left.

To get 621mile range, they are likely eating up a few tons of cargo with larger battery packs, effectively reducing cargo capacity by the same amount.

It's very simple:
- Until the battery runs out of juice, an EV will blow away an equivalent ICE in terms of power and performance.
- Batteries run out of juice far quicker than ICE and take a lot longer to refill, so other than short range local work, they won't be taking over the truck market any time soon.

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shelbyfv wrote:

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So this is just a troll thread post?

Yep. Since virtually nobody is considering an EV as a tow vehicle, these threads are just an opportunity to bash EVs in general. Kind of like whining that your Cheerios suck because they don't taste like Corn Flakes. [emoticon]

Now that's funny!
Except noone is bashing EVs in general. Only the EV nut humpers who think in terms of dreams and magic concoct that a realistic view of the limitations of current EVs (both financial, cost of entry into the club, and practical, 86 miles towing a little trailer before it's time to change, sorry, charge the Duracells) is bashing them in general.

Just look at it. The "bashers", if people haven't noticed (or more accurately, ignored), are the guys here who have a great deal of knowledge about vehicles and technical/mechanical things in general.

And this is far less of a troll thread than 8.1 and the Tesla semi, for the last 5 years! lol

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Posted: 06/29/22 10:12am

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Maybe we should have a sticky "EVs Not Yet Ready for RV Towing." Folks who feel so compelled can post to it as often as they like. [emoticon]

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I don't know if bashing is the correct term to apply to the naysayers.
Those EV towing naysayers may consider themselves realist simply because EV towing is currently not ready for prime time, which I agree.
The so called realist turn to pessimist when they imply EV towing will never happen or claim not in our lifetime..
I think its way too soon to proclaim EV towing will never happen.
It's amazing that we have all seen so much technology happen within our lifetime, yet we think EV towing is fools gold.
I guess at some point you can't teach old dogs new tricks.

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shelbyfv wrote:

time2roll wrote:

So this is just a troll thread post?

What are you talking about? There are several people on this very forum that say their BEV tows better than their gas counterparts. Here is the conservation just the other day: I have bolded where "he" thinks towing with a BEV is "superior" to towing with than any other vehicle.

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EVs at this point are totally viable for most daily driving purposes around town or even reasonable rural distances. They are not viable as towing vehicles or long distance road trip vehicles - until battery or charging technology changes that's going to be the case.

I don’t know. I would say they are not viable for any kind of commercial tow vehicle. But for us RVers they work for many of us who are okay with a 20 minute break every couple hours on the road. Heck. It’s rare we do 600 kilometres at a pop when RVing. 200 to 400 is more common for us although we just blasted thru Manitoba and Western Ontario in a few longer days. Meh. For many RVers it’s probably manageable. We’ve got over 5000 kilometres behind us on this trip and 7000 to go. The actual towing experience is superior to any comparable gas SUV and trailer combo. To each his own of course.

Cheers and safe travels all.

Here is how the math works out: There is about 33 thousand watt hours of power in a gallon of gasoline.
The Ford Lightning extended has a 131 thousand watt hour battery in it.
So you take 131 and divide it by 33 and you will get the equivalent amount of "power" that truck can hold in gasoline.

In the Ford Lighting's case it comes out it can hold about 4 gallons of gasoline. Since electric motors are about twice as efficient as a gasoline engine you can get a little over 80 miles towing with the Lightning.

Well would you look at that!!! Amazing how math works out almost exactly like it was predicted.

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Posted: 06/29/22 11:26am

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Generalissimo Franco is still dead....

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Posted: 06/29/22 11:27am

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shelbyfv wrote:

Maybe we should have a sticky "EVs Not Yet Ready for RV Towing." Folks who feel so compelled can post to it as often as they like. [emoticon]

We do...it is the Tesla Semi thread!

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Lantley wrote:

The so called realist turn to pessimist when they imply EV towing will never happen or claim not in our lifetime..

Idk man, there's alotta old farts on here..."not in my lifetime" seems could be pretty certain for many! LOL

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Posted: 06/29/22 11:32am

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shelbyfv wrote:

Generalissimo Franco is still dead....

Is this some weird inference like Yosemite like to toss out there to sound like he's really in the top 2% of the IQ chart like he claims?

(PS, mods you can't delete this...ole YS1 made the claim, not me...lol)