Cummins12V98
on the road
Senior Member
Joined: 06/03/2012
View Profile
 Offline
|
Someone has their head stuck Ford's AZZ. WHY????? would the numbers posted FIRST in big bold print comparing all three show RAM's standard output numbers in stead to their HO with AISIN numbers??? Oh sure they mentioned the HO later in passing.
Example........."This is where it happened. A 2020 Super Duty laid down 498 hp and 1,086 lb-ft of torque on these rollers—effectively leaving the Duramax-powered ’20 GM and Cummins-equipped ’21 Ram that were also tested here at the same time in the dust."
Reading the above is a SKEWED paragraph made to have Ford look better.
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise, NOT doubting that just don't like these type of fan based articles no matter the results.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"
"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600
2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable
2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD
|
IdaD
Idaho
Senior Member
Joined: 08/06/2014
View Profile
|
It's been about a decade now that comparing power between the three diesels has been irrelevant.
More pertinent questions would by why the Ram's transmissions haven't caught up yet, or why GM and Ford can't figure out how to make a good exhaust brake.
2015 Cummins Ram 4wd CC/SB
|
cummins2014
Utah
Senior Member
Joined: 02/20/2008
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
Cummins12V98 wrote:Someone has their head stuck Ford's AZZ. WHY????? would the numbers posted FIRST in big bold print comparing all three show RAM's standard output numbers in stead to their HO with AISIN numbers??? Oh sure they mentioned the HO later in passing.
Example........."This is where it happened. A 2020 Super Duty laid down 498 hp and 1,086 lb-ft of torque on these rollers—effectively leaving the Duramax-powered ’20 GM and Cummins-equipped ’21 Ram that were also tested here at the same time in the dust."
Reading the above is a SKEWED paragraph made to have Ford look better.
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise, NOT doubting that just don't like these type of fan based articles no matter the results.
You don't like it because you are a Ram fan ,if it was reversed it would be thumbs up. Live with it .I can say the same thing about someones head stuck up a Rams AZZ .
I have two sons both with new 2022 trucks ,they are impressive. From what my ford owner son tells me that Ford is pretty impressive towing his new fifth wheel . I have driven both, I would buy either one . But I would lean towards the Ram .
* This post was
edited 07/13/22 06:16pm by cummins2014 *
|
Huntindog
Phoenix AZ
Senior Member
Joined: 04/08/2002
View Profile
|
Cummins12V98 wrote:
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise. Finally! It is about time. Ford has had a history of inflating their numbers, then falling flat on the hillclimb tests. They did well on the only test to date, but it was really cold for that test. I would like to see them do one in the summer to see what it will really do when the temps go up.
Huntindog
100% boondocking
2021 Grand Design Momentum 398M
2 bathrooms, no waiting
104 gal grey, 104 black,158 fresh
FullBodyPaint, 3,8Kaxles, DiscBrakes
17.5LRH commercial tires
1860watts solar,800 AH Battleborn batterys
2020 Silverado HighCountry CC DA 4X4 DRW
|
Cummins12V98
on the road
Senior Member
Joined: 06/03/2012
View Profile
Offline
|
IdaD wrote:It's been about a decade now that comparing power between the three diesels has been irrelevant.
More pertinent questions would by why the Ram's transmissions haven't caught up yet, or why GM and Ford can't figure out how to make a good exhaust brake.
Caught up? There is no reason to add more gears with the CUMMINS/AISIN. I tow more than anyone I know of at over 35k combined West coast and have no need for another gear.
|
|
|
Cummins12V98
on the road
Senior Member
Joined: 06/03/2012
View Profile
Offline
|
cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:Someone has their head stuck Ford's AZZ. WHY????? would the numbers posted FIRST in big bold print comparing all three show RAM's standard output numbers in stead to their HO with AISIN numbers??? Oh sure they mentioned the HO later in passing.
Example........."This is where it happened. A 2020 Super Duty laid down 498 hp and 1,086 lb-ft of torque on these rollers—effectively leaving the Duramax-powered ’20 GM and Cummins-equipped ’21 Ram that were also tested here at the same time in the dust."
Reading the above is a SKEWED paragraph made to have Ford look better.
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise, NOT doubting that just don't like these type of fan based articles no matter the results.
You don't like it because you are a Ram fan ,if it was reversed it would be thumbs up. Live with it .I can say the same thing about someones head stuck up a Rams AZZ .
I have two sons both with new 2022 trucks ,they are impressive. From what my ford owner son tells me that Ford is pretty impressive towing his new fifth wheel . I have driven both, I would buy either one .
Same response, nice "bait" not going to bite!!!
|
Cummins12V98
on the road
Senior Member
Joined: 06/03/2012
View Profile
Offline
|
Huntindog wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise. Finally! It is about time. Ford has had a history of inflating their numbers, then falling flat on the hillclimb tests. They did well on the only test to date, but it was really cold for that test. I would like to see them do one in the summer to see what it will really do when the temps go up.
Good points! Bottom line my MEASLY 385/865 CUMMINS/AISIN tows my 35k+ combined load West Coast GREAT. OH yea I have ZERO brake applications unless coming into a slower corner.
|
ksss
Eastern Idaho
Senior Member
Joined: 02/19/2011
View Profile
Offline
|
Huntindog wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise. Finally! It is about time. Ford has had a history of inflating their numbers, then falling flat on the hillclimb tests. They did well on the only test to date, but it was really cold for that test. I would like to see them do one in the summer to see what it will really do when the temps go up.
That is exactly right. Ford historically bumps their numbers on paper to have the best in class ratings. However, they hook up to a trailer and pull the IKE and they historically never perform to their numbers. UNTIIL this time. FORD clearly outperformed both RAM and GM, convincingly so on the last run. Good on them. It will force the other two to dial up their specs. Whenever GM releases the next HD, last I heard it will be 2024, they supposedly are increasing the hp and torque. They need to. Now in real life, I am very happy with my 2020 Dmax, but the exhaust brake could be better, as someone mentinoned. Plenty of real world power, pulling moderate passes that we have here at 35-40K combined, It makes me happy. But more is....well more.
2020 Chevy 3500 CC 4X4 DRW D/A
2013 Fuzion 342
2011 RZR Desert Tan
2012 Sea Doo GTX 155
2018 Chevy 3500HD CC LB SRW 4X4 D/A
2015 Chevy Camaro ZL1
|
cummins2014
Utah
Senior Member
Joined: 02/20/2008
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
Cummins12V98 wrote:cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:Someone has their ![[emoticon]](https://forums.goodsamclub.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin") head stuck Ford's AZZ. WHY????? would the numbers posted FIRST in big bold print comparing all three show RAM's standard output numbers in stead to their HO with AISIN numbers??? Oh sure they mentioned the HO later in passing.
Example........."This is where it happened. A 2020 Super Duty laid down 498 hp and 1,086 lb-ft of torque on these rollers—effectively leaving the Duramax-powered ’20 GM and Cummins-equipped ’21 Ram that were also tested here at the same time in the dust."
Reading the above is a SKEWED paragraph made to have Ford look better.
YES the Ford does put down what they advertise, NOT doubting that just don't like these type of fan based articles no matter the results.
You don't like it because you are a Ram fan ,if it was reversed it would be thumbs up. Live with it .I can say the same thing about someones head stuck up a Rams AZZ .
I have two sons both with new 2022 trucks ,they are impressive. From what my ford owner son tells me that Ford is pretty impressive towing his new fifth wheel . I have driven both, I would buy either one .
Same response, nice "bait" not going to bite!!!
No need , the bite is great here in Montana . Just a little of your own medicine .
|
Grit dog
Black Diamond, WA
Senior Member
Joined: 05/06/2013
View Profile
Offline
|
IdaD wrote:It's been about a decade now that comparing power between the three diesels has been irrelevant.
More pertinent questions would by why the Ram's transmissions haven't caught up yet, or why GM and Ford can't figure out how to make a good exhaust brake.
Always the voice of fact and reason!
Especially the transmission part! Lol
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold
|
|
|
