shelbyfv
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Sorry, toed has it right. I didn't point it out because it was posted so late at night. Doubling down here long before happy hour shows more deficiencies in comprehension. LOL.... I did get his point, even phrased backwards. Again, climate change= horse out of barn.
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Pollution was getting to be a terrible struggle in the cities with so many horses.
In the end I believe it was cost that drove the transition. Can't turn the horse off when not in use. Now even a vehicle idling is considered polluting, waste and cost.
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The horse got you about a total of 12 miles in a day. The automobile got you 30 miles an hour.
But folks argued against the auto because "there isn't enough gas to run them", "you'll run out of gas before you make it to your destination", "there isn't enough gas to run all these autos" (ie, there is no infrastructure to power all these autos) and "they're too expensive to run", "they're a fad", "they are impractical", etc.
In the end, the infrastructure was built to accommodate them. That's why there's a gas station on every corner. That didn't come first. Just like the infrastructure for electric vehicles isn't being built first - it's being built as more electric vehicles are put on the road. Supply and demand...
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toedtoes wrote:PButler96 wrote:toedtoes wrote:I was just watching a show about the start of "horseless carriages". Seems the arguments on why the automobile would never replace the horse are the same exact arguments as to why the electric vehicle will never replace the ICE.
Guess what? The infrastructure happened despite the naysayers.
The argument in 1890 was that the use of horses was going to cause climate change?
What a cluster!
I thimk you need to take reading comprehension. Climate change is NOT the argument AGAINST electric vehicles.
I thought you hit the ignore button on me a week or two ago?
Evidently not. WTF?
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toedtoes wrote:The horse got you about a total of 12 miles in a day. The automobile got you 30 miles an hour.
But folks argued against the auto because "there isn't enough gas to run them", "you'll run out of gas before you make it to your destination", "there isn't enough gas to run all these autos" (ie, there is no infrastructure to power all these autos) and "they're too expensive to run", "they're a fad", "they are impractical", etc.
In the end, the infrastructure was built to accommodate them. That's why there's a gas station on every corner. That didn't come first. Just like the infrastructure for electric vehicles isn't being built first - it's being built as more electric vehicles are put on the road. Supply and demand...
Its atually a pretty fair point. When combustion engiens were being evented it probably was the same thing. Reliability, infastruture, and the like. And it probably didnt go swimmingly for them at first eaither. And , I will state i am in diffrent in this. I like the idea, but dont think its anywhere near sustainable yet. But , I never lived in the olden days eaither. So I guess anything is or can be possable in the future.
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toedtoes
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Sjm9911 wrote:toedtoes wrote:The horse got you about a total of 12 miles in a day. The automobile got you 30 miles an hour.
But folks argued against the auto because "there isn't enough gas to run them", "you'll run out of gas before you make it to your destination", "there isn't enough gas to run all these autos" (ie, there is no infrastructure to power all these autos) and "they're too expensive to run", "they're a fad", "they are impractical", etc.
In the end, the infrastructure was built to accommodate them. That's why there's a gas station on every corner. That didn't come first. Just like the infrastructure for electric vehicles isn't being built first - it's being built as more electric vehicles are put on the road. Supply and demand...
Its atually a pretty fair point. When combustion engiens were being evented it probably was the same thing. Reliability, infastruture, and the like. And it probably didnt go swimmingly for them at first eaither. And , I will state i am in diffrent in this. I like the idea, but dont think its anywhere near sustainable yet. But , I never lived in the olden days eaither. So I guess anything is or can be possable in the future.
Nothing that has happened in human history has been thought out, well planned, etc. To think that electric vehicles won't happen because there is no infrastructure is silly. The automobile happened without a well built fuel infrastructure, without roads, etc.
The more people who buy electric vehicles, the sooner the infrastructure will happen.
Personally, I don't have an electric vehicle and I don't having one in the near future for various reasons. But that doesn't mean I can't accept that they are most likely here to stay.
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I have two E bikes that I solar charge and next year I plan on selling my 2017 Chevy Sonic with 4 cyl. turbo and 6 speed manual and convert my 29+ mountain bike into a fast 72v E bike with large battery. I could use my van or my wife's Honda Fit that she might upgrade to a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV next year if the price is great after the $4K NJ EV and $7,500 Federal EV subsidy.
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