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Thermoguy

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Posted: 07/30/22 10:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have a Champion 4500 dual fuel. I have never put gas in it. It is plenty of power for the AC (which is why I have it) I can run 1.5 days or so on 1 20lb propane tank. It is much easier to get and carry propane when camping vs having to bring a gas can that smells and can leak or be messy. Also, propane is much cleaner and I don't have to worry about cleaning the carb which I would if I used regular gas. Which, by the way, all my yard equipment, etc, I only buy ethanol free gas. It's a little more expensive, like buying diesel, but removes many of the carb issues that I had before I started buying ethanol free gas.

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Thermoguy wrote:

I have a Champion 4500 dual fuel. I have never put gas in it. It is plenty of power for the AC (which is why I have it) I can run 1.5 days or so on 1 20lb propane tank. It is much easier to get and carry propane when camping vs having to bring a gas can that smells and can leak or be messy. Also, propane is much cleaner and I don't have to worry about cleaning the carb which I would if I used regular gas. Which, by the way, all my yard equipment, etc, I only buy ethanol free gas. It's a little more expensive, like buying diesel, but removes many of the carb issues that I had before I started buying ethanol free gas.


Ahh, the fabled "Ethanol free" gas [emoticon]

Not available "everywhere".

I looked high and looked low all around a 100 mile radius of my home, zero gas stations offer 100% Ethanol free gas to the public.

I have also called the small little tiny airports within that same area to see if they sell 100LL Av gas to the public, they do not, in fact they have that in fenced in areas behind locks and only the airport managers have authority to open the gates and you must have a valid FAA issued tail number.

I have checked with my local sprint car racing dirt tracks and the nearby gas stations near those tracks for Ethanol free racing fuel.. They will not sell to the public.. To get that fuel one must have a valid on that race day entry ticket..

The only "Ethanol free" gas I have seen sold is in 1 pint or 1 quart bottles sold for lawn mowing equipment.. The cost, is not "slightly" more expensive, it is astronomically more expensive.. Something on the order of $20-$25 per gallon equivalent..

Yes, I have checked "Gas Buddy", the station near me they claim sells Ethanol free fuel does not have or sell Ethanol free fuel..

The reason I was trying to find Ethanol free gas?

I was given a 100+ yr old auto and wasn't sure if the float in the carb was up to the Ethanol.. I initially used Coleman fuel (Naphtha which is a close cousin to modern day gas) to get it started.. After examining the carb float, I was lucky, it was brass.. Have run that engine on 87 octane Ethanol laced gas ever since.

Note, please do not use Coleman fuel or Naphtha in any modern small engine, it has a very low octane rating and will predominate easily and destroy higher compression engines.

Ethanol has been sold to the public with varying percentages from 1% to 10% Ethanol in it since the 1970s, it just was never labeled as such. Gasohol (the E10 we have today) was introduced in early 1970s during the oil embargo and gas crisis as a way to make the gas we did get would fill more auto tanks, it failed due to the public not wanting to pay the premium price for it (Ethanol production cost more to make than refining gasoline). From 1975 and up all new vehicles were mandated to have advanced emissions which included a Catalytic converter.. With that change all fuel containing Lead was phased out. The function of lead was to add Oxygen and boost octane level..

It became a race between MTBE and Ethanol as the additives.. MTBE was favored until it was realized that the side effect of it was a very harmful to the environment emission of it in the tail pipes that covered the roads and washed off into the watershed..

The current E10 is what we had back in the 1970s which was called Gasohol and was forced to the public via EPA in the 1990s.. Live with it, it isn't going away anytime soon. You might find a slightly lower percentage of Ethanol than 10%, but it won't be zero percent..

Drain the carb when storing and nothing foul will happen to the carb.

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^Must s uck to live in PA. Here, I drive up to the airport and get AV gas. Or to any number of fuel depots or gas stations for no Ethanol.
But, nice story GDE. With 314 stations in PA that sell pure gas, I’m pretty sure something isn't adding up.

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Gdetrailer wrote:

I have also called the small little tiny airports within that same area to see if they sell 100LL Av gas to the public, they do not, in fact they have that in fenced in areas behind locks and only the airport managers have authority to open the gates and you must have a valid FAA issued tail number.

I have checked with my local sprint car racing dirt tracks and the nearby gas stations near those tracks for Ethanol free racing fuel.. They will not sell to the public.. To get that fuel one must have a valid on that race day entry ticket...
No road taxes and much still has tetra-ethyl lead for aviation and possibly the race fuel. Not legal for road use.


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time2roll wrote:

Gdetrailer wrote:

I have also called the small little tiny airports within that same area to see if they sell 100LL Av gas to the public, they do not, in fact they have that in fenced in areas behind locks and only the airport managers have authority to open the gates and you must have a valid FAA issued tail number.

I have checked with my local sprint car racing dirt tracks and the nearby gas stations near those tracks for Ethanol free racing fuel.. They will not sell to the public.. To get that fuel one must have a valid on that race day entry ticket...
No road taxes and much still has tetra-ethyl lead for aviation and possibly the race fuel. Not legal for road use.


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