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time2roll wrote: Cummins12V98 wrote: "I cringe thinking what the dealer would get to swap those two fronts on the wheels. + rebalance."
Why would you have the dealer rotate your tires? Read my post again. I don't rotate tires.
What was the cost the last time your fronts were swapped on the wheels as you suggested?
Not a single cent. Rotation is part of the cost of my tires with Discount tire.
I had a set of Michelins waiting to go onto my 15 when it arrived. Within 200 miles I had Discount Tire remove the JUNK NEXEN's and installed the Michelins.
I could have them do a full 6 tire rotation every 15k but they are happy to do what I suggest doing no problem.
I don't think you will find too many getting 60k on a DRW that runs full RAWR of 9,750# 50% of it's miles.
Proper alignment, and proper inflation based one load is where it's at!!!
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I rotated the tires on our 2001 chev dually at our rv park using the spare in the deal. never did it again and on the 05 never rotated with no weird tire wear i bought new tires at 5 year each time. Also same on our 2001 alpenlite fifth. maybe lucky ?? chevman
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I am the original poster.
I got the truck back from service today, so it is already a done deal. I decided to follow the manual and do side to side rotation only. Dealer charged me $100 to rotate the 6 tires.
Some good advice in the responses.
Someone asked, is it worth the cost to pay someone to rotate? Will you get the $ back in tire life? Tires may age out before needing to be changed anyway. Good point.
Or if the front tires wear out before the rears I can replace only 2 tires not 6 tires. The responses have confirmed that the tire guy (see my original post) was a sales job saying I couldn’t replace only the front tires. But I don’t regret replacing all 6 because I was running the original Nexen tires. Replaced with quality Michelins (had to argue with the tire store about this he wanted to sell me his cheap value brand) and the difference in handling was immediately obvious. But now that I have the tires that I want, if I need to replace only the front in the future I can buy 2 new Michelins.
I am concluding it is extreme what the RAM manual says to rotate with every oil change (which is 8,000 miles). But in this case actually it was 14,000 miles since I got the new tires and this is the first rotation. I don’t regret doing it. Maybe a good idea to do at least one rotation on brand new tires. But I'm not sure if I will continue to pay to rotate the back tires. For sure not every 8,000 miles. But it might be worth still rotating the front tires once in a while since the cost should be minimal.
From the responses. I am thinking rotating back to front might be risky because you can end up with uneven tires on the dually rears. In other words, the manual may be correct. But I know some responses don’t agree and do rotate back to front.
People saying it isn’t worth rotating the rear tires because they will last long enough without it make sense.
Thank you for all the responses!
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Cummins12V98

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Please explain why you paid to have a new set of Michelins rotated. Did they balance them? This should have been included in the cost of the tires.
What about your alignment????
These tires have nearly 60k and still look great doing the front side to side rotation I have had great luck with.
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Just noticed your trucks not a Cummins so the 80psi front does not apply.
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Cummins12V98 wrote: Please explain why you paid to have a new set of Michelins rotated. Did they balance them? This should have been included in the cost of the tires. I doubt if they balanced the tires with the rotation, didn't ask.
What about your alignment????
These tires have nearly 60k and still look great doing the front side to side rotation I have had great luck with.
I live in Chicago and bought the tires during a trip in California (I noticed uneven wear, the sides were worn very low, tire shop said I was ready for a blow out). Besides, there was no talk of free rotation. Sounds like that it something to ask about when buying tires.
It was alignment that killed my last tires as I discussed in my original post. Alignment is now fixed.
Good to see tires can last 60K with only side to side rotation.
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"It was alignment that killed my last tires as I discussed in my original post. Alignment is now fixed."
Not trying to beat a dead horse but do you know what spec they used to do the alignment? If it's MOPAR spec of 1/4" toe you will destroy your new tires.
On my 11 I got Chrysler to pay the local dealer to do my alignment since my tires were wearing so bad ou the outer front's. Thy didn't say anything but they simply checked and left it at 1/4". Spoke to my alignment,ent guy of many years and he said spec was too much toe! So he did the 1/64" and all was good. On my 15 I had him set it correctly also. You can see by the pic the fronts are wearing nicely.
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Yes -1/4" toe would be a spec from the 1960s sloppy suspension and bushings etc. Vehicles are far better today.
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time2roll wrote: Yes -1/4" toe would be a spec from the 1960s sloppy suspension and bushings etc. Vehicles are far better today.
My 15 DRW showing the factory setting before getting the new TOE setting.
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