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Cradz350 wrote:

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New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged. I actually saw the write up for the other spun bearing truck as well as polled the other dealers. There's a reason the connecting rods were updated in 17.


funny how no one wants to take a few min and inspect parts for dammage, just through parts at it (the dealer not you) they do it because if somjmething is wrong with the new engine it is the factories issue and they are not out of pocket, but if they repair the motor and somthing is wrong now it is there fault, just a pass the buck game.

so I searched on the diesel forums I am on, I found 5 berring failures and 4 of them were rod berrings. one was a 2015 one was a 2017. very far from common, but one had the same experiance as you with the dealer and pricing inflation.. the stories were so close I thought it was yours at first, but it was 3 years ago. it its thought the general cause was using the wrong oil weight but no one is sure. but it is plane with the number of units on the road now that it is far from common.

normaly when we see something blowing up on the diesel forums it isnt realy common yet, but it is getting there, there just isnt any activity on this issue, just a stroke of dumb luck.



You found 5 and I know of two at the dealership where my truck is resting comfortably. The idea Ford's flagship engine with the 10K option cost has done this at all is insane, but if there's one or two at every dealership...this is definitely a trend. Starts smelling like class action time. I hear a lot of people bash the 6.0...mine never died this bad.


if there is one or two at every dealership considering how many have been sold since 2012 it is far from a trend, it is a very very small sample. 6L were the worst I personaly know 6 people that broke them, but having said that it was because of people hopping them up. if left stock they were pretty deicent. the 6.7 berring issues that I found were related to oil quality and change intervals. I would never run conventional oil in my 6.7 and go by the change timer. I do run rotella T6 and go by the change timer though. lots of heat in these motors. my truck has had every common issue, lucky I bought extended warenty, but it choaked me that while buddy might have one issue and another might have another, I had them all. Ill check with the two dealers in town to see what they have seen but extensive searches and I have only found this as the most comon issues.

EGT Sensor Failure
EGR Cooler Clogging
Injection Pump Failure
Radiator Coolant Leaks
Turbocharger Problems.

but hey if you see an article or somthing send it my way, I am always up for reading about stuff like this.


There are 3000 dealers in the US...if you figure 1,000,000 engines made and 3 bearing failures per dealerships...the rate would be 9/10 of a percent. Couple this almost 1 percent Failure rate with the extreme cost of repairs and this is massively bad Ford PR.


you know they put out over 500000 the first year of production alone, and sales year over year only went up from there.


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StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged. I actually saw the write up for the other spun bearing truck as well as polled the other dealers. There's a reason the connecting rods were updated in 17.


funny how no one wants to take a few min and inspect parts for dammage, just through parts at it (the dealer not you) they do it because if somjmething is wrong with the new engine it is the factories issue and they are not out of pocket, but if they repair the motor and somthing is wrong now it is there fault, just a pass the buck game.

so I searched on the diesel forums I am on, I found 5 berring failures and 4 of them were rod berrings. one was a 2015 one was a 2017. very far from common, but one had the same experiance as you with the dealer and pricing inflation.. the stories were so close I thought it was yours at first, but it was 3 years ago. it its thought the general cause was using the wrong oil weight but no one is sure. but it is plane with the number of units on the road now that it is far from common.

normaly when we see something blowing up on the diesel forums it isnt realy common yet, but it is getting there, there just isnt any activity on this issue, just a stroke of dumb luck.



You found 5 and I know of two at the dealership where my truck is resting comfortably. The idea Ford's flagship engine with the 10K option cost has done this at all is insane, but if there's one or two at every dealership...this is definitely a trend. Starts smelling like class action time. I hear a lot of people bash the 6.0...mine never died this bad.


if there is one or two at every dealership considering how many have been sold since 2012 it is far from a trend, it is a very very small sample. 6L were the worst I personaly know 6 people that broke them, but having said that it was because of people hopping them up. if left stock they were pretty deicent. the 6.7 berring issues that I found were related to oil quality and change intervals. I would never run conventional oil in my 6.7 and go by the change timer. I do run rotella T6 and go by the change timer though. lots of heat in these motors. my truck has had every common issue, lucky I bought extended warenty, but it choaked me that while buddy might have one issue and another might have another, I had them all. Ill check with the two dealers in town to see what they have seen but extensive searches and I have only found this as the most comon issues.

EGT Sensor Failure
EGR Cooler Clogging
Injection Pump Failure
Radiator Coolant Leaks
Turbocharger Problems.

but hey if you see an article or somthing send it my way, I am always up for reading about stuff like this.


There are 3000 dealers in the US...if you figure 1,000,000 engines made and 3 bearing failures per dealerships...the rate would be 9/10 of a percent. Couple this almost 1 percent Failure rate with the extreme cost of repairs and this is massively bad Ford PR.


you know they put out over 500000 the first year of production alone, and sales year over year only went up from there.
I do know that...I also know the engine specifically the connecting rods and pistons have been updated multiple times. My point is a 60k truck with a 10k engine option shouldn't **** the bed at a rate of 1 percent on a catastrophic level.

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Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged. I actually saw the write up for the other spun bearing truck as well as polled the other dealers. There's a reason the connecting rods were updated in 17.


funny how no one wants to take a few min and inspect parts for dammage, just through parts at it (the dealer not you) they do it because if somjmething is wrong with the new engine it is the factories issue and they are not out of pocket, but if they repair the motor and somthing is wrong now it is there fault, just a pass the buck game.

so I searched on the diesel forums I am on, I found 5 berring failures and 4 of them were rod berrings. one was a 2015 one was a 2017. very far from common, but one had the same experiance as you with the dealer and pricing inflation.. the stories were so close I thought it was yours at first, but it was 3 years ago. it its thought the general cause was using the wrong oil weight but no one is sure. but it is plane with the number of units on the road now that it is far from common.

normaly when we see something blowing up on the diesel forums it isnt realy common yet, but it is getting there, there just isnt any activity on this issue, just a stroke of dumb luck.



You found 5 and I know of two at the dealership where my truck is resting comfortably. The idea Ford's flagship engine with the 10K option cost has done this at all is insane, but if there's one or two at every dealership...this is definitely a trend. Starts smelling like class action time. I hear a lot of people bash the 6.0...mine never died this bad.


if there is one or two at every dealership considering how many have been sold since 2012 it is far from a trend, it is a very very small sample. 6L were the worst I personaly know 6 people that broke them, but having said that it was because of people hopping them up. if left stock they were pretty deicent. the 6.7 berring issues that I found were related to oil quality and change intervals. I would never run conventional oil in my 6.7 and go by the change timer. I do run rotella T6 and go by the change timer though. lots of heat in these motors. my truck has had every common issue, lucky I bought extended warenty, but it choaked me that while buddy might have one issue and another might have another, I had them all. Ill check with the two dealers in town to see what they have seen but extensive searches and I have only found this as the most comon issues.

EGT Sensor Failure
EGR Cooler Clogging
Injection Pump Failure
Radiator Coolant Leaks
Turbocharger Problems.

but hey if you see an article or somthing send it my way, I am always up for reading about stuff like this.


There are 3000 dealers in the US...if you figure 1,000,000 engines made and 3 bearing failures per dealerships...the rate would be 9/10 of a percent. Couple this almost 1 percent Failure rate with the extreme cost of repairs and this is massively bad Ford PR.


you know they put out over 500000 the first year of production alone, and sales year over year only went up from there.
I do know that...I also know the engine specifically the connecting rods and pistons have been updated multiple times. My point is a 60k truck with a 10k engine option shouldn't **** the bed at a rate of 1 percent on a catastrophic level.


ok you win, I'll just site here an wait for my recall notice or my motor to blow up. 1 perent rate lol thats halarious....

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StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged. I actually saw the write up for the other spun bearing truck as well as polled the other dealers. There's a reason the connecting rods were updated in 17.


funny how no one wants to take a few min and inspect parts for dammage, just through parts at it (the dealer not you) they do it because if somjmething is wrong with the new engine it is the factories issue and they are not out of pocket, but if they repair the motor and somthing is wrong now it is there fault, just a pass the buck game.

so I searched on the diesel forums I am on, I found 5 berring failures and 4 of them were rod berrings. one was a 2015 one was a 2017. very far from common, but one had the same experiance as you with the dealer and pricing inflation.. the stories were so close I thought it was yours at first, but it was 3 years ago. it its thought the general cause was using the wrong oil weight but no one is sure. but it is plane with the number of units on the road now that it is far from common.

normaly when we see something blowing up on the diesel forums it isnt realy common yet, but it is getting there, there just isnt any activity on this issue, just a stroke of dumb luck.



You found 5 and I know of two at the dealership where my truck is resting comfortably. The idea Ford's flagship engine with the 10K option cost has done this at all is insane, but if there's one or two at every dealership...this is definitely a trend. Starts smelling like class action time. I hear a lot of people bash the 6.0...mine never died this bad.


if there is one or two at every dealership considering how many have been sold since 2012 it is far from a trend, it is a very very small sample. 6L were the worst I personaly know 6 people that broke them, but having said that it was because of people hopping them up. if left stock they were pretty deicent. the 6.7 berring issues that I found were related to oil quality and change intervals. I would never run conventional oil in my 6.7 and go by the change timer. I do run rotella T6 and go by the change timer though. lots of heat in these motors. my truck has had every common issue, lucky I bought extended warenty, but it choaked me that while buddy might have one issue and another might have another, I had them all. Ill check with the two dealers in town to see what they have seen but extensive searches and I have only found this as the most comon issues.

EGT Sensor Failure
EGR Cooler Clogging
Injection Pump Failure
Radiator Coolant Leaks
Turbocharger Problems.

but hey if you see an article or somthing send it my way, I am always up for reading about stuff like this.


There are 3000 dealers in the US...if you figure 1,000,000 engines made and 3 bearing failures per dealerships...the rate would be 9/10 of a percent. Couple this almost 1 percent Failure rate with the extreme cost of repairs and this is massively bad Ford PR.


you know they put out over 500000 the first year of production alone, and sales year over year only went up from there.
I do know that...I also know the engine specifically the connecting rods and pistons have been updated multiple times. My point is a 60k truck with a 10k engine option shouldn't **** the bed at a rate of 1 percent on a catastrophic level.


ok you win, I'll just site here an wait for my recall notice or my motor to blow up. 1 perent rate lol thats halarious....


If your truck engine has a catastrophic failure you won't think it's hilarious. And 1 percent over several million engines is a huge number. This is an entire engine loss...not 1 percent of bad egr valves or something incidental. How many Firestone tires failed before there was a major lawsuit involving Ford Explorers. How dangerous would the bearing failure have been if the vehicle had been at highway speed with a load?

I appreciate you defending your truck...or math; but flagship engines shouldn't have a major failure issue like this.

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If your truck engine has a catastrophic failure you won't think it's hilarious.
I appreciate you defending your truck...or math; but flagship engines shouldn't have a major failure issue like this.


Even Ford's CEO agrees with you Cradz350.

It's only going to get worse...

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So Flowerjokes are still finicky about oil? Nothing new.
U could run a Cummins on some goose grease and French fry oil and the only downside is getting hungry when you’re pulling grades and it smells like a fried turkey!
Lol


Love a Ford truck with Cummins...but in a Dodge with their trans...is just a different pile of problems


Sort of agree. 68 is reliable but shifts like a wet bag of dog c rap. Aisin is good, but clunky.
Ford and GM have had the better transmissions since the early 2000s and still do, unfortunately. (Save for the manual trans offerings from Dodge)
But, a trans is far cheaper and easier to fix than a spun rod bearing and complete engine replacement...

It's really unfortunate that you got a lemon. (Or it turned into one when it dumped it's oil back whenever)
It's even more unfortunate that you're getting bent over and corn holed by the dealer.


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So Flowerjokes are still finicky about oil? Nothing new.
U could run a Cummins on some goose grease and French fry oil and the only downside is getting hungry when you’re pulling grades and it smells like a fried turkey!
Lol


Love a Ford truck with Cummins...but in a Dodge with their trans...is just a different pile of problems


I would agree the 68RFE is the worst HD trans option currently but the expense exposure is a lot smaller if it goes tits up vs the engine. I had some trouble with mine last summer that ran about $2500 to fix.


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I would agree the 68RFE is the worst HD trans option currently but the expense exposure is a lot smaller if it goes tits up vs the engine. I had some trouble with mine last summer that ran about $2500 to fix.


Oh, all day long....
I characterize the 68 as annoying, not bad.
I should do a couple simple upgrades to the brodozer trans. Wasn't sure I was going to keep it this long, but, well, she's mine for better or worse now with vehicle prices since 2020 when I traded a perfectly good 6 speed 5.9 Mega cab and our truck camper for it!
That said, I was a little skeptical about being under geared, tuned and big ole tires. But so far the trans is performing like a champ at 100k miles.

One just has to drive "around" it's quirks. Which is annoying and shouldn't be necessary, but is far cheaper than a new truck or a blown trans.
Curiously enough, it shifts better pulling a load than running bobtail.

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PButler96 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged.


That's all good except there is no reason to replace the turbo when you have a nice big oil filter that filters all of the oil that enters the bearings or turbo.

Now if they wanted to replace the oil pump; that's a different story...


I guess it would depend on the path the oil takes with regards to the turbo, bearings and filter. I am less annoyed with the turbo replacement since it's difficult to remove on the 6.7 and a preemptive approach is not a bad thing. My bigger issue is the doubling of the engine price. As far as repairing the engine; the same replace over repair sentiment was also offered by two local private shops. Not enough meat for over bore and over-sized pistons. The engine isn't exactly a real heavy duty diesel. The other issue is getting Ford to do a root cause analysis. There hasn't been a determination to this point on why the bearing cooked...nor has the engine been torn down...of course this is because they already know why...

I'd love to buy an engine and install, but at this point considering the cab is lifted off the truck and engine is already removed, I may be stuck with Ford in perpetual limbo. This is not a great way to keep a loyal customer.



Ya, all engine oil is filtered before it sees any engine parts except the oil pump.

In any event it would be a good idea for you to listen to this video about the 6.7 Ford diesel.

This guy really knows his stuff and sees a ton of these engines and will talk about the various failure points. It's really good to see all of the failure points of this engine that he talks about.

If you just want to see to part where he talks about "seeing a ton of bearing failure" just go to 42:42 and see what he has to say. I would watch the whole video if I were you though because this guy is very informative.

Anyway, good luck and I hope you get past this so you can take your RV out for a little time off.


Watch that video and you might think twice about buying one of these trucks, or it may make you run out and dump the one you already have this afternoon lol.


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blofgren wrote:

PButler96 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Cradz350 wrote:

New turbo is part of the oil system...bearings metal shavings could have damaged.


That's all good except there is no reason to replace the turbo when you have a nice big oil filter that filters all of the oil that enters the bearings or turbo.

Now if they wanted to replace the oil pump; that's a different story...


I guess it would depend on the path the oil takes with regards to the turbo, bearings and filter. I am less annoyed with the turbo replacement since it's difficult to remove on the 6.7 and a preemptive approach is not a bad thing. My bigger issue is the doubling of the engine price. As far as repairing the engine; the same replace over repair sentiment was also offered by two local private shops. Not enough meat for over bore and over-sized pistons. The engine isn't exactly a real heavy duty diesel. The other issue is getting Ford to do a root cause analysis. There hasn't been a determination to this point on why the bearing cooked...nor has the engine been torn down...of course this is because they already know why...

I'd love to buy an engine and install, but at this point considering the cab is lifted off the truck and engine is already removed, I may be stuck with Ford in perpetual limbo. This is not a great way to keep a loyal customer.



Ya, all engine oil is filtered before it sees any engine parts except the oil pump.

In any event it would be a good idea for you to listen to this video about the 6.7 Ford diesel.

This guy really knows his stuff and sees a ton of these engines and will talk about the various failure points. It's really good to see all of the failure points of this engine that he talks about.

If you just want to see to part where he talks about "seeing a ton of bearing failure" just go to 42:42 and see what he has to say. I would watch the whole video if I were you though because this guy is very informative.

Anyway, good luck and I hope you get past this so you can take your RV out for a little time off.


Watch that video and you might think twice about buying one of these trucks, or it may make you run out and dump the one you already have this afternoon lol.


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