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afidel

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Posted: 08/22/22 10:42pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Nickel Iron batteries are not perpetual motion machines, but they're pretty much the closest we've come. They'll last 30 years in daily multiple cycle applications and at the end of 30 years you change out the electrolyte and they're good for another 30 years. The downsides are very poor Wh/kg, low Wh/L, and fairly poor round trip efficiency (80% when new dropping to only 50% at the end of that 30 year life). For stationary applications they're a very real consideration since they don't need a charge controller and along with very cheap solar panels you've got a way to make and store lots of power cheaply, add an appropriate inverter and done. But for RV applications they're worthless.


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I boondock most of the time use the generator whenever I want, stayed away from the campgrounds. That is one of the solution. If you need a campground don't go during peak season and there should be plenty of sites with power. That is why we go RVing. Enjoy.

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time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Nope, if the "solar generator" is putting out 1500w continuous, it's putting out 1500w continuous regardless of the hum it makes doing so.
Check the thread title again.

"no noise generators"

That would imply the gasser is not running.


OK, so what will these "no noise" generators look like to produce what a small 2000w gas generator can?

The problem is they are intentionally using misleading terminology to sucker people into thinking a small battery pack will do what even a small generator can.


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I don't think everyone understands how much it cost to build your own with everything included in these power stations..I have built a couple playing around and have one right now built to be portable like a power station...

Smart battery box with all the goodies(outlets)..Napa $50
100ah LFP battery with ganfeng cells(Zooms)...........$310
600 watt PSW inverter(Giandel)........................$100
Cheap PWM Renogy controller...........................$30

That's right at $500 for a 600 watt power station..Add a 1K PSW inverter and an MPPT controller and it goes up almost $200..

It's not cheap to clone a power station..


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time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Nope, if the "solar generator" is putting out 1500w continuous, it's putting out 1500w continuous regardless of the hum it makes doing so.
Check the thread title again.

"no noise generators"

That would imply the gasser is not running.



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jaycocreek wrote:

Everyone saying how over priced they are should chime in with there actual cost for there system that they use....There not cheap to do it right..

Lol


325 watt 24V split cell panel 200.00
40 amp charge controler 240.00
wire screws etc 40.00
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(if built today ) 370.00

total 840.00 but realy the cost of never running out of power, and not making noise in the camper is priceless. I havent added an inverter yet as I don't need one in the camper, but realy should your primary battery and inverter and such realy even be included in this, your going to have thoes weather you use a generator, solar or what ever so that cost is going to be in both builds.

so with out the battery it cost me 480 to add solar to my camper, and I could easialy add another panel for another 200 bucks and power a 5th wheel with a bigger battery bank. my 40 foot 5th had 480 watts of solar and four 6V batteries and I never run out, but I am spairing with the 110 use in that. coffee pot in the morning and night, limited microwave use, and only 1 move a day for the kids if the weather is bad.


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Posted: 08/23/22 09:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

The problem is they are intentionally using misleading terminology to sucker people into thinking a small battery pack will do what even a small generator can.
The link says 3000 watt-hours. Do the math. 300 watts = 10 hours

Very intentional.

Silent gasoline generator still produces nothing.


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theoldwizard1 wrote:

Lwiddis wrote:

Remember your post title…power stations don’t “generate” anything. It’s a trick marketing word.

Boy am I glad someone said this !


A gas generator needs gas and oil to produce electricity!
A solar generator needs sun or electricity to recharge it's battery to produce electricity!
They both produce clean electricity!
Neither will work without gas/oil or solar/electricity.
They both achieve the same goal,producing electricity..
One makes noise the other is silent.

So a solar generator achieves the same outcome as a gas generator.

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Posted: 08/23/22 10:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

The problem is they are intentionally using misleading terminology to sucker people into thinking a small battery pack will do what even a small generator can.
The link says 3000 watt-hours. Do the math. 300 watts = 10 hours

Very intentional.

Silent gasoline generator still produces nothing.


Funny how you keep dodging the question.

Regardless of the thread title, how big will the solar/battery system have to be to match a 2000w generator putting out 1500w continuously for 23 hrs out of a 24 hr day?

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Posted: 08/23/22 10:58am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

Regardless of the thread title, how big will the solar/battery system have to be to match a 2000w generator putting out 1500w continuously for 23 hrs out of a 24 hr day?
Maybe start a new threat and see if there is any response.

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