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enblethen

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Posted: 09/08/22 09:35pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

A towed motor vehicle is not a trailer!


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Posted: 09/09/22 07:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

enblethen wrote:

A towed motor vehicle is not a trailer!


Explain the physics of why stopping a 4500lb car is not the same as stopping a 4500lb trailer for us.

Unless there is a specific statement in the state vehicle code stating towed cars are exempt, you can expect them to treat it as a trailer.


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Posted: 09/09/22 07:55am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I am not saying that a person should or should not have an auxiliary braking system. Product information saying it is required is bad information.
Some toads need a braking device. Some MHs have barely enough braking to stop a loaded rig. Some large MHs with air brake style braking may not need a toad with auxiliary braking system.
Yes, I have a braking system!

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Posted: 09/09/22 08:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

enblethen wrote:

I am not saying that a person should or should not have an auxiliary braking system. Product information saying it is required is bad information.
Some toads need a braking device. Some MHs have barely enough braking to stop a loaded rig. Some large MHs with air brake style braking may not need a toad with auxiliary braking system.
Yes, I have a braking system!


Still doesn't provide a difference. Even the big diesel pushers with air brakes require trailer brakes for over 3k lb (most states).

Not saying people don't get away with things but if the investigator decides not having brakes was a proximate cause in an accident, you can expect them to cite it and I'm betting the citation would hold up in court.

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Posted: 09/09/22 05:18pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thanks for all the info. Using the surge brake from NSA as well as breakaway cable in case the worst happens. Fortunately, the aftermarket metal front bumper with winch and D-hooks can be used instead of a Blue Ox mounting bracket which saves some $$. All in all, converting to 4-down isn't costing me the price I received selling my tow dolly.

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VA-Apraisr wrote:

Thanks for all the info. Using the surge brake from NSA as well as breakaway cable in case the worst happens. Fortunately, the aftermarket metal front bumper with winch and D-hooks can be used instead of a Blue Ox mounting bracket which saves some $$. All in all, converting to 4-down isn't costing me the price I received selling my tow dolly.


My 08 Jk had an aftermarket bumper. I removed the D rings and fabricated a hitch point for the tow bar. i hard wired the brake lights and mounted a plug on the front of the jeep. Using the NSA braking system i was ready to go in a short time. Sold the C and the Jeep. I miss the jeep.

[image]

Of course then you see this.......

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Gen light and odometer info: :
In place of installing a light harness in the toad , I drilled two holes in my taillight housing to accept a 12v socket and bulb. I ran the wires to the front and tied them into the 7 way plug to pop into the rv’s socket. I added a 12v charge line in that line from the rv to charge the toad battery while towing.

BC i only have toad brake, directional and taillights visible from the rear , i manually turn on the toads running lights while towing in rain or at night to give me more sideview illumination.

On my toad , when i turn the toads ignition ‘on’ to tow , the first click to unlock the steering wheel is what i need. If i accidentally go to the second ignition position , the run position , the toads mileage will accumulate.

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klutchdust wrote:

VA-Apraisr wrote:

Thanks for all the info. Using the surge brake from NSA as well as breakaway cable in case the worst happens. Fortunately, the aftermarket metal front bumper with winch and D-hooks can be used instead of a Blue Ox mounting bracket which saves some $$. All in all, converting to 4-down isn't costing me the price I received selling my tow dolly.


My 08 Jk had an aftermarket bumper. I removed the D rings and fabricated a hitch point for the tow bar. i hard wired the brake lights and mounted a plug on the front of the jeep. Using the NSA braking system i was ready to go in a short time. Sold the C and the Jeep. I miss the jeep.

[image]

Of course then you see this.......


WOW, your REALLY need a "rise hitch" on the tow vehicle.

Tow vehicle to toad should be pretty close to horizontal.


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wolfe10 wrote:

klutchdust wrote:

VA-Apraisr wrote:

Thanks for all the info. Using the surge brake from NSA as well as breakaway cable in case the worst happens. Fortunately, the aftermarket metal front bumper with winch and D-hooks can be used instead of a Blue Ox mounting bracket which saves some $$. All in all, converting to 4-down isn't costing me the price I received selling my tow dolly.


My 08 Jk had an aftermarket bumper. I removed the D rings and fabricated a hitch point for the tow bar. i hard wired the brake lights and mounted a plug on the front of the jeep. Using the NSA braking system i was ready to go in a short time. Sold the C and the Jeep. I miss the jeep.

[image]

Of course then you see this.......


WOW, your REALLY need a "rise hitch" on the tow vehicle.

Tow vehicle to toad should be pretty close to horizontal.


When I pulled alongside I was amused. No baseplate, just the chains going around the bumper.

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Posted: 09/12/22 06:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Haha......saw the photo and thought you were serious!! [emoticon] Yeah, trying to avoid the redneck fix-it-yourself-and-go process! I'll be using a 4" riser hook as well since my Jeep has a lift on it to ensure straight pulling and proper engagement of surge braking. Just waiting on the parts to be delivered and then wiring up the toad to the RV.

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