Good Sam Club Open Roads Forum: New Superduty gas engine for 2023.
Open Roads Forum Already a member? Login here.   If not, Register Today!  |  Help

Newest  |  Active  |  Popular  |  RVing FAQ Forum Rules  |  Forum Posting Help and Support  |  Contact  

Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Truck Campers

Open Roads Forum  >  Truck Campers

 > New Superduty gas engine for 2023.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 4  
Prev  |  Next
valhalla360

No paticular place.

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2009

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 09/12/22 06:51am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

3 tons wrote:

Ford gassers are fine, but in typical turbo fashion, turbos are destined to be a money maker for the Ford garage…For ‘Real power’ the entire world will continue to require a diesel power-plant rather than the illusion of a turbo as a band-aid substitute- JMO

3 tons


Odd it's almost impossible to find a non-turbo diesel in the modern world. Apparently, the garages are very happy with this?

I think you are stuck in the world of 30-50yrs ago when people would bolt a turbo onto a gas engine never designed for a turbo and bad things would happen.

No, it's pretty straight forward to turbo charge an engine reliably if it was built for turbo from the ground up. The issue here is marketing. A $2k upcharge for a gas engine that put out the same power as the $10k upcharge for the diesel engine doesn't make a lot of sense.


Tammy & Mike
Ford F250 V10
2021 Gray Wolf
Gemini Catamaran 34'
Full Time spliting time between boat and RV


Oregun

Oregon

Senior Member

Joined: 02/28/2015

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/12/22 10:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:



why would anyone pay the upcharge for the 7.3l that Ford just spent big money to develop?


I see your point but I ask myself the same question about why would so many pay so much more for the 6.7 Diesel. I think it comes down to choosing wants vs needs.

Will have to wait and see how this plays out.

Bionic Man

Colorado

Senior Member

Joined: 04/03/2009

View Profile



Posted: 09/12/22 10:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I really don't see the need to have two gas engines in the SD? I wonder if it is designed to be more "hybrid compatible"?


2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

valhalla360

No paticular place.

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2009

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 09/12/22 10:46am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Oregun wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



why would anyone pay the upcharge for the 7.3l that Ford just spent big money to develop?


I see your point but I ask myself the same question about why would so many pay so much more for the 6.7 Diesel. I think it comes down to choosing wants vs needs.

Will have to wait and see how this plays out.


Going from the 7.3 NA gas to the turbo diesel, I would agree. There's an ego factor that comes into play.

But if they turbocharge a big block gas engine (and it's designed to handle it), the gas engine will at a minimum hang with the diesel under tough conditions (such as towing a heavy load up a steep grade) and in many situations (such as running around town not towing) out perform the diesel.

I'm far more skeptical of the ego being a big factor in a 6.8 NA vs 7.3 NA gas engines where the HP & torque will presumably be darn near identical based on the difference between the 6.2 & 7.3 being not far apart.

3 tons

NV.

Senior Member

Joined: 03/13/2009

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/12/22 10:57am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

3 tons wrote:

Ford gassers are fine, but in typical turbo fashion, turbos are destined to be a money maker for the Ford garage…For ‘Real power’ the entire world will continue to require a diesel power-plant rather than the illusion of a turbo as a band-aid substitute- JMO

3 tons


Odd it's almost impossible to find a non-turbo diesel in the modern world. Apparently, the garages are very happy with this?

I think you are stuck in the world of 30-50yrs ago when people would bolt a turbo onto a gas engine never designed for a turbo and bad things would happen.

No, it's pretty straight forward to turbo charge an engine reliably if it was built for turbo from the ground up. The issue here is marketing. A $2k upcharge for a gas engine that put out the same power as the $10k upcharge for the diesel engine doesn't make a lot of sense.


But this assumes that adding a turbo (per your claim…) to a gasser will put out the same power as a diesel (huh? - seriously!!), and that gasser turbos are every bit as robust as are turbos on diesels (or maybe even as reliable as naturally aspirated gassers?)…Maybe this is true (I donno?), but if so, suggest that Detroit has overcome their shoddy ‘beta offerings’ rich past? This would be a welcome change indeed, but most definitely wasn’t the case on my last new truck purchase in 2016…

3 tons

Grit dog

Black Diamond, WA

Senior Member

Joined: 05/06/2013

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/12/22 02:09pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Oregun wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:


As to the new engine, I'm confused with 6.8l...seems really close to the 7.3 gas, so why?


Maybe they want to obsolete the 6.2L and the 6.8L will be more competitive with Ram & Chev.


I know you want this to be a great discovery, but realize that it doesn't make sense unless we're all missing something or they're turfing the 7.3 already.


2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Grit dog

Black Diamond, WA

Senior Member

Joined: 05/06/2013

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/12/22 02:11pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

3 tons wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

3 tons wrote:

Ford gassers are fine, but in typical turbo fashion, turbos are destined to be a money maker for the Ford garage…For ‘Real power’ the entire world will continue to require a diesel power-plant rather than the illusion of a turbo as a band-aid substitute- JMO

3 tons


Odd it's almost impossible to find a non-turbo diesel in the modern world. Apparently, the garages are very happy with this?

I think you are stuck in the world of 30-50yrs ago when people would bolt a turbo onto a gas engine never designed for a turbo and bad things would happen.

No, it's pretty straight forward to turbo charge an engine reliably if it was built for turbo from the ground up. The issue here is marketing. A $2k upcharge for a gas engine that put out the same power as the $10k upcharge for the diesel engine doesn't make a lot of sense.


But this assumes that adding a turbo (per your claim…) to a gasser will put out the same power as a diesel (huh? - seriously!!), and that gasser turbos are every bit as robust as are turbos on diesels (or maybe even as reliable as naturally aspirated gassers?)…Maybe this is true (I donno?), but if so, suggest that Detroit has overcome their shoddy ‘beta offerings’ rich past? This would be a welcome change indeed, but most definitely wasn’t the case on my last new truck purchase in 2016…

3 tons


You both are a bit out to lunch on this, just at different restaurants...

valhalla360

No paticular place.

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2009

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 09/12/22 02:59pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

3 tons wrote:


But this assumes that adding a turbo (per your claim…) to a gasser will put out the same power as a diesel (huh? - seriously!!), and that gasser turbos are every bit as robust as are turbos on diesels (or maybe even as reliable as naturally aspirated gassers?)…Maybe this is true (I donno?), but if so, suggest that Detroit has overcome their shoddy ‘beta offerings’ rich past? This would be a welcome change indeed, but most definitely wasn’t the case on my last new truck purchase in 2016…

3 tons


Since we are talking Ford: Current motors...
- Diesel = 475 hp
- Gas 7.3 = 430 hp

Adding a turbo will typically boost the HP, so yeah, it should be able to match HP.

Using the 3.5 ecoboost, as an example, peak torque drops back to a much more sedate (almost diesel like) 2500-3000rpm range.

So yeah, the performance should be very comparable if not better than the diesel in some respects.

Yes, they can certainly be just as robust. The little 3.5 is putting out 385hp and seems to be fairly reliable. More than double the displacement to 7.3 while only bumping up the output by 100hp shouldn't be straining properly designed motor.

But of course as I previously stated, I would be surprised to see them do it for marketing/profitability reasons. Not because it's technologically difficult.

Oregun

Oregon

Senior Member

Joined: 02/28/2015

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/12/22 08:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Grit dog wrote:

Oregun wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:


As to the new engine, I'm confused with 6.8l...seems really close to the 7.3 gas, so why?


Maybe they want to obsolete the 6.2L and the 6.8L will be more competitive with Ram & Chev.


I know you want this to be a great discovery, but realize that it doesn't make sense unless we're all missing something or they're turfing the 7.3 already.


Your guess is as good as mine at this point.

Oregun

Oregon

Senior Member

Joined: 02/28/2015

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 09/28/22 05:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Looks like they are killing the 6.2L gas and I saw something about enhancing the exhaust on the 7.3L Godzilla.

Here are the specs


Four engines are offered with a 10-speed automatic transmission, including a new 6.8-liter gasoline V-8 that replaces the current 6.2-liter V-8 and a high-output version of the 6.7-liter turbocharged Power Stroke diesel V-8, along with the standard Power Stroke and 7.3-liter "Godzilla" gasoline V-8.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 4  
Prev  |  Next

Open Roads Forum  >  Truck Campers

 > New Superduty gas engine for 2023.
Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Truck Campers


New posts No new posts
Closed, new posts Closed, no new posts
Moved, new posts Moved, no new posts

Adjust text size:




© 2022 CWI, Inc. © 2022 Good Sam Enterprises, LLC. All Rights Reserved.