2oldman
NM
Senior Member
Joined: 04/15/2001
View Profile
 Offline
|
..
|
valhalla360
No paticular place.
Senior Member
Joined: 08/19/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
|
Lantley wrote:Battery Technology is certainly progressing.
To think there will not be significant advancement in batterry technology is very short sited.
While at the Hershey RV show last weekend. There where 4 lithium battery suppliers peddling their products. I don't remember there being any the year prior.
Li batteries are currently changing the way we camp and opening up lots of opportunities to camp off the grid in ways that were not possible just 10 years ago.
The technology really hasn't changed. Lithium are basically the same battery as in a 20yr old laptop.
The advances have been in economy of scale bringing prices down but those are largely tapped out and are running up against the counter force of lithium raw material prices rising due to greater demand.
Running house loads is a couple orders of magnitude less demand than actually propelling the RV down the road.
Tammy & Mike
Ford F250 V10
2021 Gray Wolf
Gemini Catamaran 34'
Full Time spliting time between boat and RV
|
2oldman
NM
Senior Member
Joined: 04/15/2001
View Profile
Offline
|
valhalla360 wrote:There are segments where EVs make sense (commuter cars in multi car families, local delivery trucks...but once you need to cover long distances at high speed pulling a lot of weight, the limited range is a deal killer. For now, yes.
Musk's semi is looking promising with several hundred mile range. Don't know the charging requirements however, and I imagine it will be quite expensive. But as I said earlier, I would think OTR drivers (if this truck even needs one!) would be overjoyed at not having to slow down to a crawl on a hill. I think the automobile and truck technology is going to blow our minds in the next decade. I just hope I'm around to see it.
* This post was
edited 09/20/22 04:30pm by 2oldman *
|
valhalla360
No paticular place.
Senior Member
Joined: 08/19/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
|
2oldman wrote:Just got my new Leaf and I love passing gas stations and Jiffy lubes. I recharge about every 4 days at home.
I realize a brand new one will do a bit better but...
Back before the big jump is gas prices, I was looking into getting a used leaf as they were only $6-8k. We only had the F250 and 15mpg hurts.
I was thinking if I could get it cheap, I could reserve the truck for towing duty and save on fuel costs.
Problem was when I started digging in, the range had degraded by 40-60% in 5-7yr old cars. A 50-60mile range when a typical round trip into town is 40-50miles is problematic and if I needed to do more than a 2-3 stops, prohibitive.
Then when I looked at the potential savings in fuel vs registering and insuring a second vehicle...all the savings were out the window.
Just got an oil change on the F250...$29 out the door including taxes. I average about 2 per year...not a big deal.
|
2oldman
NM
Senior Member
Joined: 04/15/2001
View Profile
Offline
|
valhalla360 wrote:Then when I looked at the potential savings in fuel vs registering and insuring a second vehicle...all the savings were out the window.
Just got an oil change on the F250...$29 out the door including taxes. I average about 2 per year...not a big deal. My new 2022 Leaf is rated for 175 miles, plenty for me as it's just a grocery getter. Got it from Carvana. Took 2 weeks, they did everything including plates and title. It's hard to buy an electric car from a dealer around here. They have to be paid up front, usually MSRP, and then wait. Did my own garage level 2 charge station.
Oil changes on my Freightliner Cummins 8.3 are about 10x your cost. Unfortunately electric isn't quite up to the towing task yet.
The economics of an EV don't bother me so much as I feel good that I'm making my miniscule contribution to mitigating climate change. And, really, I just love new things with all the technology, including automatic braking, safety alerts of all kinds, voice recognition..etc.
|
|
|
Lantley
Ellicott City, Maryland
Senior Member
Joined: 08/23/2005
View Profile
Offline
|
Peeps you've got to have a little vision to see the evolution of EV's.
Yes the tow limit maybe 100 miles as we speak. But that is not a concrete limit.
You have to imagine self propelled RV trailers that have their own propulsion, solar panels and batteries. 100 miles is certainly not the forever limit.
Sort of like saying we can only reach the moon, making it to Mars will never be possible. We have managed to land a rover on Mars. A manned mission is certainly not impossible!
The evolution in RV towing is not strictly tied to batteries. There will be new systems and ways we have yet to imagine to get it done.
Who imagined how the computer more precisely "Windows" would change the world?
Then along comes the internet that has revolutionized the way we do things.
Certainly you have witnessed how technology has pushed us forward in ways we never imagined.
To think we are somehow pidgeon holed and reached a dead end in EV evolution is short sighted. Tesla has had cars on the road for about 13 years and they have taken EV's to a mainstream level. Others are now emulating Tesla and will continue to expand EV.
In the 70's when ma Bell and AT&T were broken up into baby bells. Did we ever imagine a world where land lines would be obsolete and every man woman and child would have their own personnal cell phone!
My point is technology happens and it creates change that we simply can't imagine or comprehend. In 1970 we could not comprehend a cell phone or its usefullness.
Much in the same way we cannot envision EV powered RV's. As more and more vehicles evolve to EV so will RV's. We simply are not capable of comprehending what that transformation will look like at this point.
Be assured RV'ing is not going away it will transform into a new and better form much like the cell phone. That evolution will take some time but at some point happen quickly.
Some are throwing up the white flag at the 100 mile travel limit as though that is all we will ever be capable of. Don't worry coast to coast RV travel is not going away....ever
19'Duramax w/hips,12'Open Range,Titan Disc Brake
BD3,RV safepower,22" Blackstone
Ox Bedsaver,RV760 w/BC20,Glow Steps, Enduraplas25,Pedego
BakFlip,RVLock,5500 Onan LP,Prog.50A surge,Hughes autoformer
Porta Bote 8.0 Nissan,Sailun S637
Correct Trax,Splendide
|
valhalla360
No paticular place.
Senior Member
Joined: 08/19/2009
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
|
2oldman wrote:For now, yes.
Musk's semi is looking promising with several hundred mile range. Don't know the charging requirements however, and I imagine it will be quite expensive. But as I said earlier, I would think OTR drivers (if this truck even needs one!) would be overjoyed at not having to slow down to a crawl on a hill. I think the automobile and truck technology is going to blow our minds in the next decade. I just hope I'm around to see it.
I'm left to wonder if the semi isn't living up to claims. It's been ready to come out any day for what 5-6yrs?
No reason to expect in normal use that an EV semi will go up hill noticeably faster.
It may be a different limitation but look at Tesla cars that have been taken on race tracks. In theory the motors should allow the car to blow away even dedicated track cars but they often go into limp mode because they are drawing too much amperage for too long. On a long steep climb, I would expect to see similar issues arise and does it really make sense to spend a ton of money to be able to go 10mph faster up a hill?
|
NamMedevac 70
Reno
Senior Member
Joined: 11/09/2020
View Profile
|
Tyler0215 wrote:No one has ever said that EV's are the answer to all needs. The ICE and Diesel will never dissappear in our lifetimes no matter how muck the greenies want them to. It took 40 years for the ICE to replace the horse, the change to EV's will not come any quicker. Nothing to debate folks.
Very well said
|
NamMedevac 70
Reno
Senior Member
Joined: 11/09/2020
View Profile
|
Although I am a happy gasser I like EV, Solar, greenies, tree huggers, cute puppies, ice cream, cold beer, hollywood freaks, starlink, northern lights, popcorn, free casino drinks (not a gambler), Roy Rogers, Dal Evans, saving lives, Smokey The Bear, fishing, camping,
|
shelbyfv
TN
Senior Member
Joined: 02/18/2006
View Profile
|
NamMedevac 70 wrote:Although I am a happy gasser I like EV, Solar, greenies, tree huggers, cute puppies, ice cream, cold beer, hollywood freaks, starlink, northern lights, popcorn, free casino drinks (not a gambler), Roy Rogers, Dal Evans, saving lives, Smokey The Bear, fishing, camping, Why not get yourself an RV, you might like that too.![[emoticon]](https://forums.goodsamclub.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink")
|
|
|
|
