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theoldwizard1

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deltabravo wrote:

BCwestcoast wrote:

Have they solved the problem of laminated wall campers coming apart like a cheap watch at the slightest hint of moisture?


Proper maintenance prevents water intrusion.

Any time I've seen a laminated wall delaminate, it's because it leaked.
It leaked because the owner neglected it (translation: didn't do roof inspections / reseal when needed)

Absolutely 100% correct !

I just wanted to re-emphasize it !!

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theoldwizard1 wrote:

deltabravo wrote:

BCwestcoast wrote:

Have they solved the problem of laminated wall campers coming apart like a cheap watch at the slightest hint of moisture?


Proper maintenance prevents water intrusion.

Any time I've seen a laminated wall delaminate, it's because it leaked.
It leaked because the owner neglected it (translation: didn't do roof inspections / reseal when needed)

Absolutely 100% correct !

I just wanted to re-emphasize it !!


there was a rash of manufactuing issues that lead to delamination, but even after that can we realy say its owner neglect. I would put that back on manufctures and dealerships for failing to let you knw how much work is involved in upkeep for fear of losing a sale.


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towpro wrote:

some manufacturers have started using 1/4 lauan plywood that is treated to not degenerate when it gets wet.
Example forest river calls it Azdel they use on both inside and outside walls.

Azdel contains NO wood or other organic compounds ! It will not rot !!

Delamination is when the outer skin pulls away from the sheathing underneath. This a failure of the adhesive and is almost always caused by moisture.

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Pbutler97 wrote:

3 tons wrote:

Not unlike a 2x4, the advertised 2” wall thickness is merely a nominal figure whereby 2” camper wall thickness is actually at 1.5”, but still good and not to be dismissed…

The premium exterior siding product is made by Lamilux (particularly Lamilux uber glossy 4000), used by Eagle Cap and Adventurer (superior to Filon, especially so of Filon atop luan…).

https://www.lamilux.com/composites.html

Also Azdell is a top-tier composite product totally unrelated to cheap Luan, and is unaffected by moisture.

https://azdelonboard.com/

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Except although Azdel might be top tier, the panel is laminated together with water soluble adhesives thanks to the EPA so if water gets in there you can still have the same end result, delamination. The only difference is the Azdel will not come apart itself like luan might, and it wont rot. But if the Azdel releases from the foam core or the Filon/Fiberglass releases from the Azdel due to the adhesive failing, you've gained absolutely no benefit.

It sure looks good on websites and sales brochures though, sort of like "4 season", "highest quality", "Amish Crapmanship", etc.

Given the choice I'll take the Azdel but it's not the bulletproof thing that some people think it is. A lot of manufacturers will only use Azdel for the outer substrate and still use Luan for the inner layer (Layer that wall covering is applied to). What does that gain you?



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StirCrazy wrote:



there was a rash of manufactuing issues that lead to delamination, but even after that can we realy say its owner neglect. I would put that back on manufctures and dealerships for failing to let you knw how much work is involved in upkeep for fear of losing a sale.


I bought a 2011 Open Range that was 9 months old when I got it. it was already delamanating before I got it (I did not know that was what was happening, it looked like a bad saw cut to me).
Bit the manafactures build a POS camper with open cell foam tape for gaskets on all sealing joints, nothing like marker lights is sealed, places where several different materials all mate together in one location (roof rubber, roof edge trim, gutters, plastic rain gutter extensions, fiberglass, etc) and seal it with dycore which last 2 months before it cracks from the dissimilar expansion rates and blame it on the owners for not doing maintenance. typical RV industry reaction. its always the owners fault. And the only thing I see that might have changed some are bragging about using lauan that now don't rot when it gets wet? The quality still is bad. yes I did have a truck camper that really seemed to care and they still did thinks like seal stuff with putty tape so some manufactures still care about customer more than investors. The manufactures need to learn if you sell someone a turd, they might look somewhere else before they buy again".


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