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BeMurda

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There is also a Lance 830 used in my area - the tent could be a good option in warm weather, but I don't like security aspects of it. Also the single propane tank seems terrible - otherwise an interesting option and definitely good for a single rear wheel.

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JimK-NY wrote:

Here is a little math for your consideration.

Lance 950S dry weight is approximately 3100#. Wet weight will be 3500#. Does that include any accessories such as awnings, upgraded mattress, microwave/oven, solar panels, upgraded battery, etc? Let's hope so because those items can add a lot to the base spec weight. Anyway what weight is reasonable for your and the passengers? 400#? That will bring the weight to 3500#.

The rule of thumb is to add 1000# for "personal" items. That sounds like a lot but in my experience it has been hard to keep under that amount. This category includes such items as chairs, bbq grill, generator and fuel, tools, clothing, sheets/bedding, towels, cameras/electronics/hobby gear, extension cords, leveling blocks, cleaning supplies, black tank chemicals, etc, etc, etc. Let's not forget kitchen gear, plates, pots and pans, flatware, etc. Another big item is food and drink. Lug in your weekly groceries and you will quickly realize food and drink can get really heavy.

If you start with a camper in the 3000# range, you will very likely exceed your 4400# capacity. Some suspensions mods will be needed. Depending on the State/Provence being over the limit can be a legal issue. Another issue is weight distribution. Except for passengers, almost all of the cargo weight will be on the back axle and tires. Depending on wheels and tires, you will likely be at or exceed the maximum load specs.

You want to be able to use the truck as a second vehicle so avoiding a dually makes sense. You might want to reconsider. That supercrew and 8' bed are already issues for daily use. The length alone will make it difficult and sometimes impossible to maneuver in and out of parking lots.


mkirsch wrote:

Those LED clearance lights really cut into your cargo capacity... LOL just kidding.

You're on the right track. 4400lbs is a good comfortable max weight on an F350 SRW, though you may want to put airbags on to level the truck, and add a rear sway bar. Take a wait and see approach on that though. There's no reason you can't take a trip or two with the truck stock to see how it feels, and add what you think it needs later. It's either going to be passable or awful right out of the gate. Not like you're going to get 500 miles from home and suddenly discover that it's undriveable (if you do something is seriously wrong that add-ons would not have prevented).

Low 3000's dry is where you want to be looking for a camper. Sounds like you've done the research and have a few models in mind.


Two different posts with two fairly different opinions! The base weight of the Lance 950s is under 2900lbs so the person selling this unit is I believe being honest about the actual weight at 3150.

I have no interest in exceeding the sticker payload (I'm a lawyer lol) but I don't feel that we will travel with 1000lbs of gear? It doesn't make sense in my head...

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JIMNLIN wrote:

Your F350 srw has a 7230 rawr that will be carrying most if not all of a trucks campers weight.
These trucks rigged out like you say rear axle may weigh in the 3500+ lb range leaving around 3700 lbs max for a truck camper. I sure wouldn't exceed a tire/wheel or rear suspension rating. Add 4400 lbs in the bed over loads Fords 7230 rawr.

That 4400 lb number is a gvwr payload and based on using the truck front and rear axles. Truck campers sit in the bed and add little if any weight to the front axle.

GVWR payloads are better suited for lets say a work truck for a business that requires a over head rack that sits in the rear of a pickups frame/in the bed.... and on the trucks front frame rails. That way all 4400 lbs can be distributed on fawr and rawr.

A 3100 lb truck camper ?
By the time you load the camper out like you want and road ready it may weigh over 4000 lbs.

Your looking at a one ton drw for weight carried in the bed like a truck camper.....or a lighter weight camper.

Or mod the F350 srw rear suspension with 19.5" tires/wheels and air bags/etc.


Thanks, I guess this is why Ford's specs the other individual found say max cargo weight 3990 before options on the Lariat trim I was looking at. That still seems very doable for me with the 950s but I can't tell if I am just naive or actually will be packing lighter than other people.

It would be really nice to have a slide so that a pack and play could fit in the hallway at night if we had a second child.

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I have no interest in exceeding the sticker payload (I'm a lawyer lol) but I don't feel that we will travel with 1000lbs of gear? It doesn't make sense in my head...


Does it not make sense or you just don't want to believe it?

Surely there is a major difference between the way different people use their TCs. In my case, a second solar panel, a second battery, and a generator with fuel adds several hundred pounds. Others may not need any of this. I travel with a couple of light weight aluminum chairs and a grate for outdoor cooking. Others might carry a picnic table and heavy, zero gravity chairs and a BBQ grill and stand. I stock my camper with some basic staple food, spices, etc. Others might skip all of this. Even so a few days of food can get quite heavy. Most of us are going to also want cooking/eating gear, towels, bedding, extra clothing. I am amazed at the tools some people carry. I just have a few small bags of tools, hardware, repair items, and a tire compressor. Chances are you will need leveling blocks. You might also want to consider a bottle jack since the OEM jack is unlikely to work for a loaded camper.

If you have not done so, I strongly recommend weighing your rig after it is loaded for use. Be sure to check the rear axle weight and compare that with the tire load rating.

This is not a matter of wishful thinking, or calling wolf. A 3000# dry weight camper is very likely to exceed what a 350 should carry. Upgrades to the suspension can be costly. 19.5 rims and wheels can be over $3000. None of those upgrades will do anything to increase braking capacity.

Have you looked at Torqlift brackets and tiedowns? Those for my Ram are huge, very thick steel and way heavier than what I gained by removing the tailgate.

* This post was edited 12/05/22 12:11pm by JimK-NY *

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This is on the heavy side but would be an awesome setup for what you are wanting and you could order a shortbed: https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Host-MCKINLEY-TENT-8.6-5023524952

Talk it over with the other about the rear tent, it can be a security issue with it being easy to cut open.


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Thanks, I guess this is why Ford's specs the other individual found say max cargo weight 3990 before options on the Lariat trim I was looking at. That still seems very doable for me with the 950s but I can't tell if I am just naive or actually will be packing lighter than other people.

Its not just "stuff" we load our campers with but other ""necessary junk"" we carry in the truck.....this also adds to the truck rear suspension.

Post around in other website truck camper forums and you get about the same wet weight/road ready numbers.
I carried three different truck camper over 30 years ago before moving up in size to 5th wheel rv trailers.
Having towed heavy GN trailers for a living it always surprised me how much weight was added to my trucks rear axle after loading both.


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BeMurda wrote:

There is also a Lance 830 used in my area - the tent could be a good option in warm weather, but I don't like security aspects of it. Also the single propane tank seems terrible - otherwise an interesting option and definitely good for a single rear wheel.

Security from bears?
1 propane tank is enough unless you camp in colder weather where the heat is needed. Which would also be horrible with a canvas pop out.


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A US gallon of water weighs around 8.345lb.

40 gallon tank adds 333lbs of wet weight.

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BeMurda wrote:



Two different posts with two fairly different opinions! The base weight of the Lance 950s is under 2900lbs so the person selling this unit is I believe being honest about the actual weight at 3150.

I have no interest in exceeding the sticker payload (I'm a lawyer lol) but I don't feel that we will travel with 1000lbs of gear? It doesn't make sense in my head...


mkirsch is right from a real world practical standpoint. The Jim is right also, when it comes to exceeding mfgs recommendations.
Which btw is 2900lbs and change for a new F350 CCLB 4x4 with the gasser engine. (Or about 1000lbs less than the payload rating)
Worth noting that the only meaningful material differences between a srw and a dually (in general) is usually greater rear spring rate and higher rear tire/wheel weight capacity. There isn't an axle under a HD srw pickup from the last 20+ years that isn't actually rated for around 10klbs. Your biggest real world limitation will be rim weight rating of around 3600lbs/ea for OE type rims and tires which will be int he 3600-3800lb cap for OE type tires. Springs/airbags/sway bars are easy additions.
And I won't publicly recommend it, but have been carrying in excess of OE rim weight capacities (few hundred lbs/ea) for alot of years and alot of different trucks. They're not the achilles heel in the equation.

Also, the "add 1000lbs" to dry weight is an accurate rule of thumb. Some people carry rocks, some go light, most add about 1000lbs to a TC ready to camp.
LP and batteries add to dry weight - around 200lbs for 2 batteries and 2 bottles.
Water - fresh water 40-50gal in a big TC - 300-400lbs
Gray and black - add another couple hundred if you somehow have those full as well as freshwater. But could consider gray and black replacing fw weight although boondocking, I can easily be filling the black tank, gray goes in the woods when needed and have extra fresh water.
So 500lbs MINIMUM just for gas water and propane.
I took I'd guesstimate at least 200lbs of "stuff" out of our TC. Dishes, tools, camping gear, extra bedding etc.
Now you're at 700lbs minimum over dry weight.
Add a weeks worth of groceries, beer, cases of water and kid drinks, easily 100lbs or more.
Add 3 or 4 people's personal gear, clothing etc, another 100lbs.
That's 900lbs before you start hanging bbqs and bicycles off the back, gear that's in the truck, 50lb bed mat, couple arm loads of campfire wood stuffed somewhere, little genny and a gas can...
1000lbs is pretty accurate unless you intentionally travel real light.

That said, if you're not good with going over mfgs recommendations, a med size or larger TC on a srw truck is a non starter.
If you're ok with what the rest of the world does every day, I wouldn't hesitate to haul a 3000lb dry, 4000lb + loaded TC on aany new 1 ton srw.
Hauled 4000lbs worth of TC on our 2007 Dodge diesel Mega cab for alot of years and alot of miles, including the Alcan and all over AK. Guy that bought it with 190k miles bought the camper too and 2 years later he's still liking it and it hasn't broke in half or snapped a spring yet!

Short story is, a new 1 ton srw is a perfect truck for your intended use and you can use it with confidence.
Dually will be more stable though if you're easily frightened or don't like using the suggested speeds on the yellow "curve" signs.

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I have never owned a truck camper. If I did want to do so, it would be a large one, that would require a DRW truck, to stay within axle/tire ratings.

If you want a smaller one, as Grit dog suggested, a SRW may work.

The real issue is stability, and rear axle weight. Only you can decide, if you'll be happy with a smaller lighter unit, while camping with a couple youngsters, at some point. [emoticon]

BTW: Welcome to the forum!

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