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wapiticountry

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Desert Captain wrote:

"Define chronic. Is it a dog barks once, once every few hours, for three minutes when the owners leave them in the RV? And how do you politely enforce a rule? A park is pretty much limited to letting them stay or kicking them out. I don’t think turning off the power or disconnecting the cable for an hour effectively giving the RV a time out would be practical, polite or non confrontational. Warnings only go so far and that is a very short distance in parks where the average guest stays for only a few days. Fact is, unless there are truly gross violations of rules, rule enforcement relies primarily on the good character of the violator. "

As noted chronic speeding is a biggie as it is liable to get someone injured or worse. The CG's that enforce zero tolerance don't have to do so more than a couple of times and the problem goes away one way or the other. Dogs invading other sites with bad internet {don't get me started on those retractable 30' leashes} or no leash any all and of course the folks that never clean up after their pooches.

Relying on the "good character"of the violator presumes/assumes they have some which sadly is often not the case.

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So what do you see as proper enforcement of a speeding rule? And exactly how is the park supposed to determine who is speeding? Should the park invest in multiple radar stations to cover all the different roads? Do you enforce at one MPH over the posted speed? Or do you have a tolerance? And how does enforcing it strictly a few times prevent future problems when the park turns over its occupancy every few days?

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Desert Captain wrote:

Dogs invading other sites with bad internet…


Wut?


Lmao... ya gotta love spell check.

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"So what do you see as proper enforcement of a speeding rule? And exactly how is the park supposed to determine who is speeding? Should the park invest in multiple radar stations to cover all the different roads? Do you enforce at one MPH over the posted speed? Or do you have a tolerance? And how does enforcing it strictly a few times prevent future problems when the park turns over its occupancy every few days? "

So if you have a guest who comes through your 10 mph CG at 20 - 25 every time you would take no action? It would be more than obvious {through the magic"sight"} the hazard they are creating in flagrant violation of your posted limit. If it happens roll by their site and remind them of the rules advise that if it happens again they will be leaving without refund and then enforce the warning.

This was a problem for awhile at one our favorite CG's until they posted a sign at the entrance stating their zero tolerance policy. Reminding folks when they check in leaves no ambiguity. After a few folks were booted the word got around and the problem all but disappeared.

Run your facility anyway you want... your park, your rules but know that if I visit a facility that does nothing to enforce basic safety/courtesy I won't be back.

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ken56 wrote:

Here's one for the park owners. Not controlling who occupies any particular site has been problematic a few times for me. Someone with a pop-up camper takes a site that can fit a big rig when there are other sites that will accommodate the pop-up. Yep, they pay the same price for the site as a big rig does, but if it's the only site that big rig can fit in and they can't then they go down the road and you lose revenue. I've noticed more parks are controlling sites by size of rig and that to me is a good thing.


We once had a situation where this was done by the campground. Our RV club had an outing at an upscale park, and we were the wagonmaster. THe park requested, and we provided, a list of attendees, with the size of each rig. We arrived and as the rest of the group arrived we found that the park had assigned one menber, with a 24 foot Class B, a 70 foot pull-through spot, and another member, with a 32 foot travel trailer, pulled by a Chevy Suburban, a 28 foot back-in spot! We went to the office to have these 2 members swap spots and were told "Not possible; they are already in the computer and we can't change the assignments."

We swapped them anyway. This park also insisted on inspecting the club house at the end of the outing, which is normal and expected, but they also had to count the chairs in the clubhouse "to make sure we didn't take any of them with us"...we haven't been back to that park since!


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Desert Captain wrote:

"So what do you see as proper enforcement of a speeding rule? And exactly how is the park supposed to determine who is speeding? Should the park invest in multiple radar stations to cover all the different roads? Do you enforce at one MPH over the posted speed? Or do you have a tolerance? And how does enforcing it strictly a few times prevent future problems when the park turns over its occupancy every few days? "

So if you have a guest who comes through your 10 mph CG at 20 - 25 every time you would take no action? It would be more than obvious {through the magic"sight"} the hazard they are creating in flagrant violation of your posted limit. If it happens roll by their site and remind them of the rules advise that if it happens again they will be leaving without refund and then enforce the warning.

This was a problem for awhile at one our favorite CG's until they posted a sign at the entrance stating their zero tolerance policy. Reminding folks when they check in leaves no ambiguity. After a few folks were booted the word got around and the problem all but disappeared.

Run your facility anyway you want... your park, your rules but know that if I visit a facility that does nothing to enforce basic safety/courtesy I won't be back.

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You are very clear as to what you feel is the problem. What I don’t see is any patheay to a practical solution. How do you implement zero tolerance without a method to determine actual speed. Would you be ok if a park employee came up to you and told you to leave because to them it looked like you were going 12 MPH not 10? Do people get warnings or is it one and you’re out? If warnings, how many and over what time period? Two warnings in a day is much different than two warnings in a summer. And while word may get around in a seasonal park, it doesn’t in an overnight or destination park where people only stay a day or two. Much as it would be great if everyone idled thru the park at ten miles per hour, they often don’t. An absolute zero tolerance, one strike and your out policy would likely put the park out of business prior to stopping all the violators.

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"You are very clear as to what you feel is the problem. What I don’t see is any patheay to a practical solution. How do you implement zero tolerance without a method to determine actual speed. Would you be ok if a park employee came up to you and told you to leave because to them it looked like you were going 12 MPH not 10? Do people get warnings or is it one and you’re out? If warnings, how many and over what time period? Two warnings in a day is much different than two warnings in a summer. And while word may get around in a seasonal park, it doesn’t in an overnight or destination park where people only stay a day or two. Much as it would be great if everyone idled thru the park at ten miles per hour, they often don’t. An absolute zero tolerance, one strike and your out policy would likely put the park out of business prior to stopping all the violators".

Ah, "Denial"....not just a river Egypt. If common sense fails you when observing folks speeding then yours is just a park/cg I will happily skip. We no longer have little ones or a pooch and are still pretty spry for old folks but having some fool drive through tight narrow cg at twice the common sense {and posted } limit with impunity is just a disaster waiting to happen. When it does some lawyer is going to have a field day when witnesses report that speeding was frequent, flagrant and totally unaddressed by management.

I know you see my points but just want to argue so not much point in continuing this discussion.
Good luck.

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Y'all need to learn how to play together in the sandbox better!


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Private property means you can pretty much do what you want.
OTOH how many would check into a campground posted rules like "Keep your kids out of street, there are no speed limits!", "Owners of small dogs beware, no training is required, all dogs are free to bark and roam free!"
or "Play your music as loud/long as you want!"
I'm sure there would be a few, but I bet much of that crowd would destroy all your infrastructure, and maybe cause transfer of ownership of the very ground the CG sets on.
If there is no enforcement, it does not matter what rules are posted.

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As I have already posted, it is very easy to say “enforce the rules”. How to enforce those rules is the problem. I have repeated asked for suggestions and the only answer I get is a repeat of “enforce the rules”. If we kicked everyone out the first time they broke the speed limit, their dog barked, their kids got in the road, they parked on the grass, they made noise during quiet hours or ran with scissors the park would be empty and we would be broke.

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Desert Captain wrote:

dedmiston wrote:

Desert Captain wrote:

Dogs invading other sites with bad internet…


Wut?


Lmao... ya gotta love spell check.

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I didn’t think it was auto correct. I thought you were saying dogs and bad internet were a double whammy! Lol cheers !


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