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2024 GMC and 2023 Super Duty

FishOnOne
Explorer III
Explorer III
Here's a new 2024 GMC Denali

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Here's a new 2023 Super Duty

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'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"
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FishOnOne
Explorer III
Explorer III
Here's some more of the Super Duty and the GMC AT4

GMC AT4

Ford Super Duty
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Grit_dog
Nomad III
Nomad III
ksss wrote:
The days of the average or just above average income customer buying a new higher end pickup/full size SUV have been over for quite a while. Prices went up (even before COVID) way beyond the income increases. I imagine the OEM's will offer interest rate reductions as a way to move what cant move on its own. I doubt there are many buying a 100K pickup and borrowing all of it. You need to bring at least 50K into the deal to get a monthly payment that wouldn't make you vomit each month (at least for me).


Idk, Iโ€™m only 50 years old, but I recall thinking alot of folks had more money when I was a kid, based on the car they drove vs the cars my parents owned. And just like back then, thereโ€™s a lot of people who drive more than they can/should afford. Covid inflation aside (which is about to be corrected in a big way fortunately or unfortunately depending how you look at it) people who complain about this have a very skewed perspective.
Comparing to vehciles 20-30-50 years ago, and trying to compare top of the line to top of the line is flawed. That top of the line, lasts 100k if youโ€™re lucky and has 235hp truck is blown away by even the most basic work truck model currently. Itโ€™s like comparing a 3 bedroom house 50 years ago to a Mc Mansion today and complain about how much prices went up. Itโ€™s not comparable. Youโ€™re getting orders of magnitude more.

And someone of average income shouldnโ€™t be buying a new $60-100k pickup or car. Itโ€™s not a god given right to have the finest luxuries on a beer budget. As much as some think it is.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Bionic_Man
Explorer
Explorer
Retired JSO wrote:
4x4ord wrote:
My daughter ordered a new Bronco coming up two years ago and we still haven't got a production date. Maybe if you order a new Super Duty today you'll have your 350k miles on the '12 by the time the new one shows up.:)

Guess it depends on what you order. Both very small ford dealers in the Murphy NC area have 4 Bronco sports on their lots. 2 with 1.5 Lt and 2 with 2 Lt engines.


The Bronco Sports have pretty much always been easily available. Its the Bronco that competes with the Wrangler that has a waiting list.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Retired_JSO
Explorer
Explorer
4x4ord wrote:
My daughter ordered a new Bronco coming up two years ago and we still haven't got a production date. Maybe if you order a new Super Duty today you'll have your 350k miles on the '12 by the time the new one shows up.:)

Guess it depends on what you order. Both very small ford dealers in the Murphy NC area have 4 Bronco sports on their lots. 2 with 1.5 Lt and 2 with 2 Lt engines.

Travlingman
Explorer II
Explorer II
Groover wrote:
Dealer markups seem to have gone away around here. With the vehicles I see starting to pile up on the dealer's lots I expect to see some serious discounts soon.


Maybe in your part of TN but not ours. Local dealer just got in a F-450 Limited and has a $20K add on.F-450 Knoxville dealer showing Chevy duallies with a $5K add.3500 Lots are still pretty much empty here. Have lower level trims on vehicles, not much upper.
2017 F-350 King Ranch DRW
2014 Landmark Savannah(sold)
2022 DRV Mobile Suite 40KSSB4

ksss
Explorer
Explorer
The days of the average or just above average income customer buying a new higher end pickup/full size SUV have been over for quite a while. Prices went up (even before COVID) way beyond the income increases. I imagine the OEM's will offer interest rate reductions as a way to move what cant move on its own. I doubt there are many buying a 100K pickup and borrowing all of it. You need to bring at least 50K into the deal to get a monthly payment that wouldn't make you vomit each month (at least for me).
2020 Chevy 3500 CC 4X4 DRW D/A
2013 Fuzion 342
2011 RZR Desert Tan
2012 Sea Doo GTX 155
2018 Chevy 3500HD CC LB SRW 4X4 D/A
2015 Chevy Camaro ZL1

Grit_dog
Nomad III
Nomad III
Groover wrote:
Dealer markups seem to have gone away around here. With the vehicles I see starting to pile up on the dealer's lots I expect to see some serious discounts soon.


Many 1/2 tons have had small to decent discounts off msrp months ago.
Almost had to buy a new truck and had started looking, was Sept/Oct last year. At the time it was more limited to mid level and work trucks. But Iโ€™m sure the discounts are working their way up the truck food chain.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Groover
Explorer II
Explorer II
Dealer markups seem to have gone away around here. With the vehicles I see starting to pile up on the dealer's lots I expect to see some serious discounts soon.

frankwp
Explorer
Explorer
4x4ord wrote:
frankwp wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
frankwp wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:


Hard to believe that trucks have doubled in price since I bought my 2014 .


Trucks have not doubled since 2014, or even 2004 for that matter.


LOL. Have you shopped trucks lately? Prices may have not doubled since 2014 (not far off, but they have more than doubled since 2004.

My 2003 RAM 3500 Laramie (top trip at the time) was $35000. A comparable 2023 is around $90,000, with top trim levels above $100k.


My 2003 2500HD listed at $53,000CAD when I bought it new. The same truck (not diesel) similarly equipped now lists at $84,872CAD. That isn't even in the neighborhood of double the price.


Wow that 2003 seems too high? I don't have anything exactly comparable but we bought a new 2004 Ram Laramie 4x4 crew cab diesel for $39,000 CAD.


Prices I quoted were MSRP and are all in. Another thing to consider is that the 2023 version is much more truck than my 2003. More GVRW, better creature comforts, better fuel economy.
2010 Cruiser CF30QB
2003 GM 2500HD, crew cab, SB, 8.1, Allison

Thermoguy
Explorer II
Explorer II
The interesting read about this post is if you do any research on the high cost of trucks, you come across all kinds of comments about dealers not being able to sell the high end trucks due to current pricing. Dealers are asking manufacturers for help in reducing the price. With interest rates high, cost of new and used cars high, the market is crashing. Sure, people are still buying, but 2 years ago dealers could add $5000-$10000 to the price of a vehicle and people still bought them. The dealers justified this as they needed to make money to keep the business open and people were dumb enough to pay the premium. Now that interest rates are high, people don't want to pay the markup but also don't want to pay $100K for a truck because it isn't about the amount, its about the payment. I haven't looked what a payment on a $100K truck is, but I'm guessing its north of $1000 a month. This forum lots of people will pay anything to get what they want, but the average person just can't afford that any more and companies aren't buying leave vehicles at that high cost. My company always buys the top trim in the model we get, but as of COVID, they have decided to buy out the leases and not get us new vehicles. This doesn't help the car industry since company leases are a big part of the used market turnaround.

cummins2014
Explorer
Explorer
4x4ord wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
frankwp wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:


Hard to believe that trucks have doubled in price since I bought my 2014 .


Trucks have not doubled since 2014, or even 2004 for that matter.


LOL. Have you shopped trucks lately? Prices may have not doubled since 2014 (not far off, but they have more than doubled since 2004.

My 2003 RAM 3500 Laramie (top trip at the time) was $35000. A comparable 2023 is around $90,000, with top trim levels above $100k.


Yes saying double was a bit of an exaggeration , but the increase has been pretty significant in the past few years. I gave 57k for a loaded 2014 3500 Laramie . That same truck today is going for pretty close to 90k , so a 33k increase in 9 years or just over $3500 increase per year . Comparing the increase of what I paid for a 99 Superduty 7.3 XLT bought new in July of 98 for 33k to 57k for the 2014 thatโ€™s 24k increase in 16 years or $1500 increase per year .


Ya, but you went from a '98 Ford to 2014 Ram....:)



You have a point . :B

Huntindog
Explorer
Explorer
The price of a used has also soared. I have tracked my yearly cost of ownership since I bought my first dually in 2001.This is apples to apples in that each truck had just about all options except the sunroof, and rear entertainment. And it is just the cost of purchasing, not of fuel or maint, tags, etc.
It has stayed constant a 4000.00 a year. So though the intial cost of ownership is high, the cost of staying in an expensive truck is very reasonable, IME.
Huntindog
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2021 Grand Design Momentum 398M
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104 gal grey, 104 black,158 fresh
FullBodyPaint, 3,8Kaxles, DiscBrakes
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2020 Silverado HighCountry CC DA 4X4 DRW

4x4ord
Explorer III
Explorer III
frankwp wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
frankwp wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:


Hard to believe that trucks have doubled in price since I bought my 2014 .


Trucks have not doubled since 2014, or even 2004 for that matter.


LOL. Have you shopped trucks lately? Prices may have not doubled since 2014 (not far off, but they have more than doubled since 2004.

My 2003 RAM 3500 Laramie (top trip at the time) was $35000. A comparable 2023 is around $90,000, with top trim levels above $100k.


My 2003 2500HD listed at $53,000CAD when I bought it new. The same truck (not diesel) similarly equipped now lists at $84,872CAD. That isn't even in the neighborhood of double the price.


Wow that 2003 seems too high? I don't have anything exactly comparable but we bought a new 2004 Ram Laramie 4x4 crew cab diesel for $39,000 CAD.
2023 F350 SRW Platinum short box 4x4.
B&W Companion
2008 Citation Platinum XL 34.5

frankwp
Explorer
Explorer
Bionic Man wrote:
frankwp wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:


Hard to believe that trucks have doubled in price since I bought my 2014 .


Trucks have not doubled since 2014, or even 2004 for that matter.


LOL. Have you shopped trucks lately? Prices may have not doubled since 2014 (not far off, but they have more than doubled since 2004.

My 2003 RAM 3500 Laramie (top trip at the time) was $35000. A comparable 2023 is around $90,000, with top trim levels above $100k.


My 2003 2500HD listed at $53,000CAD when I bought it new. The same truck (not diesel) similarly equipped now lists at $84,872CAD. That isn't even in the neighborhood of double the price.
2010 Cruiser CF30QB
2003 GM 2500HD, crew cab, SB, 8.1, Allison