Dutch_12078
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agesilaus wrote:ronharmless wrote:Well to me I it would depend: who is carrying most of the freight and by how much - camping fees or state taxpayers? Private campgrounds it’s a no brainer.
It is obvious that for SP that the taxpayer is footing the bill. I suspect the actual operating costs are all or mostly funded by fees tho. I have no doubt the cg would still be filled up no matter who has preference. Land purchases are funded by a Doc Fee tax I believe. I've lost track how many parks the state has, near 200 when I last checked.
The only obvious way to give residents preference would seem to be opening the reservation period for the first X time to residents only.
Maybe if there is a six month res period giving the residents the first four months.
I am 100 persent for this.
They need to fix the online system which is awful right now. Bettter to go back to the old system.
You do understand that you're telling the snowbird crowd you don't want our money coming into your state don't you. What we spend for state park sites is only a small part of what we spend at area businesses and attractions.
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Dennis Henderson
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plasticmaster wrote:... I believe his presentation is a little misguided though because I've observed every summer over the last 14 years at Bahia Honda at least 80 to 90% of the campers being from Florida.
https://www.flsenate.gov/media/videoplayer?EventID=1_ky7xx6qg-202301171330&Redirect=true
Thank you for the link. I agree that the majority of SUMMER campers are from Florida. No one else from up north in their right mind would want to come to camp in HOT Florida in the summer.
The reverse is true, however, for the great weather months of October, November, December, January, February and March. Out-of-staters and Canadians are in the majority.
Most other state parks around the country and many county parks give residents an advantage over non-residents. We are hoping for that to happen here with our Florida State Parks and our residents.
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I’m with you Dennis.
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agesilaus
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Quote:You do understand that you're telling the snowbird crowd you don't want our money coming into your state don't you. What we spend for state park sites is only a small part of what we spend at area businesses and attractions.
Not at all, you guys can take your chances with us. And as pointed out, there are thousands of private cg. Lately with all the tack ons, I'm not sure the SP are much if any cheaper.
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Dutch_12078 wrote:
You do understand that you're telling the snowbird crowd you don't want our money coming into your state don't you. What we spend for state park sites is only a small part of what we spend at area businesses and attractions.
Not at all. State parks are typically heavily subsidized in terms of operation and facilities and hold prime land that most private parks could never afford.
The snowbird folks who use them heavily are taking advantage of that subsidy. On a modest scale, that's fine but if it's keeping out the folks who pay for the bulk of that subsidy (residents), it's certainly reasonable to tilt the table in favor of the locals a bit more.
Plenty of private parks available for those who want to visit florida.
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This was on another RV forum. https://www.rvforum.net/threads/should-state-residents-get-1st-shot-at-state-run-campground-reservations.142012/
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It will be what it becomes but that will be the end of us coming to FL every winter for a month or so. We can't afford $3K monthly sites.
Let's not forget that Floridians over 65 already get half off pricewise.
I've spoken with many Floridians during the winter months that are only in the campgrounds because they are renting out their home 5 miles away for ridiculous prices. That's not a wrong thing. You can't blame them for using their noggins.
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As Bucky said, Let's not forget that Floridians over 65 already get half off pricewise. That does not apply to non-residents.
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wapiticountry wrote:Florida residents not getting sites at Florida state parks vote in Florida elections. Out of state RVers not getting a site don’t .
This is an interesting point to me, the Senator’s ‘home turf’ is Tampa and the Gulf coast from Clearwater north a ways.
This area doesn’t strike me as a hot bed of campers nor home to very many big camping State Parks.
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Dennis Henderson wrote:plasticmaster wrote:... I believe his presentation is a little misguided though because I've observed every summer over the last 14 years at Bahia Honda at least 80 to 90% of the campers being from Florida.
https://www.flsenate.gov/media/videoplayer?EventID=1_ky7xx6qg-202301171330&Redirect=true
Thank you for the link. I agree that the majority of SUMMER campers are from Florida. No one else from up north in their right mind would want to come to camp in HOT Florida in the summer.
The reverse is true, however, for the great weather months of October, November, December, January, February and March. Out-of-staters and Canadians are in the majority.
Most other state parks around the country and many county parks give residents an advantage over non-residents. We are hoping for that to happen here with our Florida State Parks and our residents.
Denny and Cindy Henderson
I agree... in 2010 I did a study of park occupancy during the snowbird season in south Florida ( e.g. Collier Seminole,Pennekamp,Long Key, Bahia Honda,Curry Hammock ) and the vast majority of sites were occupied by out of state residents. For example at Collier Seminole, on many of the days, over 90% were non-residents. This data was captured by site visits and from Reserve America reports. The results were presented to the then Director of State Parks, Don Forgione and staff. They then undertook a study and reviews confirming my findings. Due to political considerations, it never moved much forward other than continued discussions. I also pointed out that several counties in Florida offer preference in reservations to their county residents and that 18 other states offer some type of preference to their residents.
It's about time Florida did the same. Residents pay for the parks via taxes and should be able to use them. There are plenty of commercial campgrounds to accommodate visitors from other states.
To put it in perspective, there are only 3600 campsites in the state park system, that people are trying to reserve and there are well over 100,000 commercial campsites that those visitors can use.
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