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JoeH
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ronharmless wrote:If no out of state campers were allowed in state parks in Florida how much would “tourism” revenue go down? Precious little considering Disney, Universal Studio, Cape Canaveral, private parks and condos full of snowbirds, etc. Some of you seem to have the belief that as campers you’re integral to Florida’s survival and should have a vote in their affairs. I think you’re overestimating your value ($$$).
Exactly--- there are 3,600 campsites within Florida Sate Parks... there are 36,000 hotel rooms on the Disney property itself. Add in the off premise rooms all around Orlando and every place throughout Florida and then all the condo's, Air BNB's, privately run campgrounds and you can see that state parks are a very tiny fraction of tourist accommodations in the state.
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johnhicks wrote:Staying an allowed 14 days at parks isn't exactly gaming the system. If that's not desired then reduce stays to seven days, three days or whatever. How is an ocupancy rate of 28 percent (weekend two nights out of seven) justifiable?
No but I've heard couples bragging how the guy will reserve for 14 days, then the gal will reserve the next 14 days...repeat.
No one suggests the occupancy will be 28%. Snowbirds who are not gaming the system could easily take advantage of midweek openings.
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JaxDad wrote:“Subsidized” seems to be the wrong word.
From the Florida State Parks Foundation website;
“STATEWIDE ECONOMIC DATA
IN 2022, FLORIDA STATE PARKS & TRAILS SERVED MORE THAN 32 MILLION VISITORS GENERATING:
- $4.4 billion direct economic impact on local economies throughout the state,
- Over $267 million was contributed to the state’s general revenues in the form of state sales taxes,
- More than 55,000 jobs were supported by state park operations.”
According to media reports, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, which oversees the Florida Park Service, has a budget this year of $4.2 billion.
It looks like they return far more money to the economy than they take out.
Lots of random numbers with no distinction between resident vs non-resident spending.
And as someone else mentioned, Spending $4,200,000,000 to gain $267,000,000 sure doesn't sound like a big tax/profit maker...much more like a subsidy.
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JaxDad
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wapiticountry wrote:JaxDad wrote:“Subsidized” seems to be the wrong word.
From the Florida State Parks Foundation website;
“STATEWIDE ECONOMIC DATA
IN 2022, FLORIDA STATE PARKS & TRAILS SERVED MORE THAN 32 MILLION VISITORS GENERATING:
- $4.4 billion direct economic impact on local economies throughout the state,
- Over $267 million was contributed to the state’s general revenues in the form of state sales taxes,
- More than 55,000 jobs were supported by state park operations.”
According to media reports, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, which oversees the Florida Park Service, has a budget this year of $4.2 billion.
It looks like they return far more money to the economy than they take out. Having a budget of $4.2 billion while generating $267 million in taxes implies a subsidy from the state of nearly $4 billion. Direct economic impact has no defined meaning. Is it business profit? Unlikely. Is it estimated sales? If so , the true economic impact on the community is much less. For example, if the park guest spends $100 on a camp stove made in China you need to subtract the cost of goods sold from the actual economic impact.
Those parks may have a huge impact on the micro economy of the nearby areas but they are clearly not self sufficient and depend upon continued support from the state’s general fund which is overwhelmingly dependent on taxes collected from residents.
Do you even understand the word “budget” as compared to “profit” or “loss”?
A “budget” is the total quantum of money involved.
By your concept, a “budget” of $4 billion but with revenue of $3.9 billion would mean a $4 billion loss.
In fact a newspaper article touting the new spending increase also stated that the Parks recouped a little over 54% of the their budget just from gate fees alone. It went on to say that they also created more than 61,000 direct jobs. I’ll bet the majority of those wages gets spent right back into the economy too.
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