JimR 1
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OK Let me try this:
Proposed bills House Bill 1232 and Senate Bill 124 contain language which will affect RVers who use South Dakota for their domicile, but most importantly will impede their right to vote.
Sponsored by Karla Lems, a District 16 Republican, HB1232 declares “the term, residence, means the place in which a person has fixed the person’s habitation and to which the person, whenever absent, intends to return.” Additionally, the bill states “no person may register to vote using a business location or campground as a registration address.”
Introduced by Julie Frye-Mueller, a Republican from District 30, SB124 is to “ensure that the address provided in the voter registration application is confirmed as a residence and not a commercial or industrial address…”
This is not the first time that South Dakota has had legislation along these lines introduced. Fortunately, similar bills have not been voted into law in the past. There may be a need to reach out to SD legislators. These bills are not out of committee yet.
House Bill 1232, Representative Karla Lems- [email protected]
Senate Bull 124, Senator Julie Frye-Mueller- [email protected]
South Dakota proposes law to end full-time RVers’ domicile, voting rights
South Dakota has long been recognized as a haven for full-time RVers. With no state income tax, low fees on vehicle registration and other privileges, many RVers from other states have “set up shop” with one of the state’s many private mailbox services to officially establish residency there. But proposed legislation, if passed, will likely end such benefits for both existing and future full-timers.
Both a House and Senate bill would, for example, if passed as written, wipe out a full-time RVer’s ability to vote in the Mount Rushmore state. The other bill would essentially ban anyone from establishing residency there unless they actually lived in the state.
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Fizz
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You know better than to post this.
How many times must you be told.
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stickdog
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The question is why now? I am registered as an Independent in SD. That being so I don't vote in primaries. Don't vote in the local elections am only concerned with the the National elections. We have made it a point to be in our county of residents for when early voting begins though we have voted once by mail when we couldn't get there due to other commitments. I can't speak for others but we have been SD residents for the last 12 years and I believe our political views are similar to the majority of South Dakota residents in national policy. It bewilders me why these politicians want to disenfranchised their constituents.
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JRscooby
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Could it be RVers are just getting hurt by policies aimed at preventing homeless from voting for people/policy that might help them?
stickdog wrote:The question is why now? I am registered as an Independent in SD. That being so I don't vote in primaries. Don't vote in the local elections am only concerned with the the National elections. We have made it a point to be in our county of residents for when early voting begins though we have voted once by mail when we couldn't get there due to other commitments. I can't speak for others but we have been SD residents for the last 12 years and I believe our political views are similar to the majority of South Dakota residents in national policy. It bewilders me why these politicians want to disenfranchised their constituents.
You state you don't vote in local elections. Is there anything other than lack of interest that prevents you voting in local elections? I'm not a fan of money from out of town buying ads about local issues. Voters that do not really live in the area.
Then there is the issue of claiming residence to avoid tax, then expecting to have a voice in choosing reps that spend tax money does not seem real proper to me
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stickdog wrote:The question is why now? My answer will get the thread closed.
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way2roll
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Sounds like it's meant to target people that don't live in SD but rather use it as a tax haven. In which case, if you don't live there, do you have a right to vote there and enjoy all it's benefits? And do you vote in another state also? While I agree some individuals may take this personally, it sounds like it's geared toward people voting in multiple states as well as inhibiting people from voting that don't actually have a physical address in the state. If you are a full time RV'er this would be a problem. But you are also probably less than 1/10th of a percent of the population. I agree there needs to be some consideration for full time travelers but it's such a small population I can see why it's not being addressed.
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JRscooby
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way2roll wrote:Sounds like it's meant to target people that don't live in SD but rather use it as a tax haven. In which case, if you don't live there, do you have a right to vote there and enjoy all it's benefits? And do you vote in another state also? While I agree some individuals may take this personally, it sounds like it's geared toward people voting in multiple states as well as inhibiting people from voting that don't actually have a physical address in the state. If you are a full time RV'er this would be a problem. But you are also probably less than 1/10th of a percent of the population. I agree there needs to be some consideration for full time travelers but it's such a small population I can see why it's not being addressed.
Not sure I would put much faith in that 0.01% number. The Dakotas have lots of MT country, and SD has been pushed as tax haven for full time RVers for decades.
I don't know if local elections happen same day as national. I know that a few years back less than 5% of registered voters raised taxes on the whole city. Not 5% margin, but turnout was less than 10%
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I can sum this up in one sentence. Find something constructive to do rather than sit around and gripe about politics. It’s a sign that you’re old and feeble. Don’t let people think that about you. You can change if you want.
My in-laws are like this now and it’s soooo annoying to those around them.
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stickdog
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Grit dog wrote:I can sum this up in one sentence. Find something constructive to do rather than sit around and gripe about politics. It’s a sign that you’re old and feeble. Don’t let people think that about you. You can change if you want.
My in-laws are like this now and it’s soooo annoying to those around them.
The first election I remember was Ike and Adlai in 56. I assure you following politics is not just for the old folks.
We did not opt for South Dakota for any tax breaks. Our former state did not tax retirement or SS funds Also the vehicle tax on our 5er, F350 tow and wife's Lil pickup is more than that of our previous domicile. Insurance is less so I see the higher vehicle taxes as a break even.
There maybe are those that are looking for relief from states that continue to suck their citizens dry for the pleasure of residing there even after they fed the beast during their earning years.
Now the advantage for South Dakota is they can claim us old folks which can bring Fed funds that can assist their year round seniors.
Hey Grit Dog ever slide down to Oregon to save on sales tax?
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