Mar-03-2023 07:54 PM
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Mar-13-2023 04:07 AM
Grit dog wrote:JRscooby wrote:propchef wrote:
Yours as well.
Yes, there are two sides. You should check it out.
One problem is most discussions are limited to 2 sides, which totally blocks out some solutions that could "save the planet"
In how much of the world does the average meal travel thousands of miles between field and table?
And where else in world does most of workforce spend hour a day by themselves in a car going to/from work?
Good points!
And it’s amazing to think how many “things” or processes could be changed to be entirely more efficient from a “travel” standpoint. None of which rely on finding a “better” means of propulsion but moreso a more efficient means of production.
Nice thought, but until I can grow enough lettuce (the edible kind not the folding kind) in WA efficiently enough to compete with the folks growing it in Arizona. Or the US ranchers somehow become more efficient than those supplying McDonalds beef from Brazil or wherever the story said, generally the most “efficient” path has been carved.
And what “if” one only at local foods and didn’t commute? That sounds all warm n fuzzy and saving the planet type stuff.
What if 50% of people did that and reduced the need for air travel and cars and fast food restaurants? Well that’s a lot of industry that just went belly up and quit supporting a significant chunk of the population, financially. The employees.
Apply the same theory to a bunch of other stuff as well until one is literally surviving off of what is available locally.
Then you need less roads and infrastructure so Scooby couldn’t have earned a living delivering dirt and gravel.
And pretty soon, we’re all sitting around a campfire in animal skins waiting for something to run by to spear for dinner!
Mar-12-2023 03:46 PM
Mar-12-2023 08:37 AM
JRscooby wrote:propchef wrote:
Yours as well.
Yes, there are two sides. You should check it out.
One problem is most discussions are limited to 2 sides, which totally blocks out some solutions that could "save the planet"
In how much of the world does the average meal travel thousands of miles between field and table?
And where else in world does most of workforce spend hour a day by themselves in a car going to/from work?
Mar-11-2023 07:43 PM
nickthehunter wrote:ktmrfs wrote:
dig out your calculator and lets use some actual data on EV sales. And EV sales are NOT 1% of the market, more like 5-7% and rising.
last year (2022) EV sales in the US were 850,000. Now let's assume 100% got a 7500 gov't credit. That comes to 6.3B, I'd say 20B on fossil fuel subsidies FAR exceeds 6.3B, not the other way around
While you got your calculator out, you might want to add in $7.5B for EV Charging and $7.0B for EV battery developmnt in the Inflation Reduction Act (Aug 16, 2022); and we ain't got to the Infrastructure and Investment Act (Nov 19, 2021) or the federal funded improvements to the electric grid (alot of which are necessitated in order to have EV charging).
Mar-11-2023 02:06 PM
Mar-11-2023 07:09 AM
propchef wrote:
Yours as well.
Yes, there are two sides. You should check it out.
Mar-11-2023 06:58 AM
Mar-11-2023 06:19 AM
ktmrfs wrote:
dig out your calculator and lets use some actual data on EV sales. And EV sales are NOT 1% of the market, more like 5-7% and rising.
last year (2022) EV sales in the US were 850,000. Now let's assume 100% got a 7500 gov't credit. That comes to 6.3B, I'd say 20B on fossil fuel subsidies FAR exceeds 6.3B, not the other way around
Mar-11-2023 12:56 AM
ktmrfs wrote:valhalla360 wrote:2oldman wrote:
Fossil fuels still receive massive government subsidies.
The Environmental and Energy Study Institute found that the US government alone spends $20 billion every year on direct fossil fuel subsidies. This has been going on for a LONG time.
$7500 per car exceeds $20B by a lot for only 1% of the market. Yes there are subsidies all over but per car sold massively favor ev.
Early on government literally fought ice and only because it was so much better did it become the standard. The subsidies are mostly about reliability of fuel supply...except when strategic reserves are sold for political purposes.
dig out your calculator and lets use some actual data on EV sales. And EV sales are NOT 1% of the market, more like 5-7% and rising.
last year (2022) EV sales in the US were 850,000. Now let's assume 100% got a 7500 gov't credit. That comes to 6.3B, I'd say 20B on fossil fuel subsidies FAR exceeds 6.3B, not the other way around
Mar-10-2023 07:28 PM
valhalla360 wrote:2oldman wrote:
Fossil fuels still receive massive government subsidies.
The Environmental and Energy Study Institute found that the US government alone spends $20 billion every year on direct fossil fuel subsidies. This has been going on for a LONG time.
$7500 per car exceeds $20B by a lot for only 1% of the market. Yes there are subsidies all over but per car sold massively favor ev.
Early on government literally fought ice and only because it was so much better did it become the standard. The subsidies are mostly about reliability of fuel supply...except when strategic reserves are sold for political purposes.
Mar-10-2023 06:05 PM
2oldman wrote:
Fossil fuels still receive massive government subsidies.
The Environmental and Energy Study Institute found that the US government alone spends $20 billion every year on direct fossil fuel subsidies. This has been going on for a LONG time.
Mar-10-2023 05:59 AM
Mar-10-2023 05:37 AM
NamMedevac 70 wrote:propchef wrote:NamMedevac 70 wrote:
EV Battery Production Takes A Lot Of Energy And Generates Significant Emissions.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/10-dirty-truths-of-electric-cars-nobody-is-talking-about/ar-AA18nsCL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=be168b7322424b76b730bc27887a1db5&ei=25
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Right, because drilling for fossil fuels and the refinements of those fuels is clean and without excess energy use. Never any problems.
Actually, unlike many close minded people I like hearing and reading two different sides of a topic. Cheers to your travels