free radical wrote:


Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

ktmrfs wrote:



1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

monkey44 wrote:

Huntindog: And folks talk about towing, which is a real issue for RV'ers ... and no one has considered hauling a 2000 lb Truck Camper (the lightest) or a 3000 lb, or 4000 lb, and a boat, which is the reason a lot of RV'ers choose a TC, as well as for getting in the back-country where most TT's and 5'ers can't get. Everyone has a reason for the RV they choose, but the discussion of EV's runs only around the lightest and smallest RV's or trailers, and how far it can go without a charge.

Regardless how anyone words it, or the technology and engineering we describe, as RV'ers we are a long, long way from the ability to do what we want and why we choose RV over other modes of travel. RV's probably a small percentage of vacation travelers over all, but we do spend plenty of bucks for RV travel and support local and mostly rural areas when we do travel.

Product and produce transport fits in an entirely different category, as do working vehicles - caterpillar and JD tractors come to mind - as well as extended area distribution. Charging delivery trucks (Amazon, FedEx, UPS) may turn an eight hour work day into six productive hours, depending on the route it covers and the charging it requires.

EV's have a place in our culture, and eventually might become more variable in size and capacity, but will never replace energy consumption, they will only displace some methods of obtaining the mobility we want and need.

Reisender wrote:



Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?

ktmrfs wrote:



companies that HAVE carbon credits sell them to companies that NEED carbon credits to offset carbon emissions. Tesla gets the credits based on the EV's they sell..... and those more than offset the carbon emissions so they have a net positive carbon credit they can sell.
Companies that run solar arrays sell carbon credits, etc.

Cptnvideo wrote:

Aren't Washington and Oregon becoming clones of Cali-fornicate-ya?
Asking for a friend.

Reisender wrote:



Ah ok. Wondered how that works. So why don’t other car companies make EV’s and sell credits? Sounds like it’s a profitable business.

bikendan wrote:


"becoming"? They already have!
We were native Californians who moved out when we retired. We moved to Washington State, which was Californicated in only 7 years. Now we're in Arizona and hope it doesn't happen here.

Cptnvideo wrote:



Me, too. If it happens here in AZ, we'll move to TX. We spent 2 weeks at Cotton Lane RV Park in Feb. Now we're boondocking near Bouse, AZ. Planning on going to the Lassen area for DW, but will travel in NV as far as we can before entering _____.