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FishOnOne

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Posted: 04/15/23 09:20am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Looks like the new EPA requirements will be forcing the auto industry to shift to EV vehicles at a faster pace at a time when EV's and the power grid is not able to support this change on this proposed timeline.

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I am hoping a change at the top, will stop this ridiculousness.


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Posted: 04/15/23 09:46am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I said it here first. "With a stroke of a pen"


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Yes I have read recent articles about this topic and also recent articles about serious drawbacks from owning and operating EVs in the USA. These stores are from business and auto magazines, news outlets, etc.

One article from auto world or maybe it was another magazine gave 10 separate serious issues with operating EVs. Here are just a few I remember.

In extreme cold and heat the EV performance and distance is greatly diminished and also charge times take much longer than normal. also running the car air conditioner further greatly reduces the range.

Serious issues with non Tesla defective charge stations and not enough charge stations.

EVs weigh at least twice as much as same size and type ICE vehicles and pose an extra safety risk with more on the road in crashes and pedestrian hits and also for older multi story parking garages.

An EV car battery fire takes the FD 4 hours to put out with at least 1000 gallons of water and sometimes the battery will reignite hours or days later after the initial fire. EV batteries submerged in recent street flooding have gone up in flames in Florida. Sometimes days after water intrusion. FD heroes best of the best.

To fully charge some EVs takes many hours and at least overnight at home and can hinder rapid evacuation from home or neighborhood in emergency situation. Not everyone has expensive fast charge station at home Wyatt Earp.

On a weekly and even daily basis I have frequently observed drivers waiting in their cars one to two hours for a charge at the Tesla charge stations in casino parking lots with ac going in extreme heat that takes longer. It takes me 5 minutes to fill of my 32 gallon gas tank and drive well over 300 or more miles to fun destinations of fishing and camping.

The EVs are not green or friendly to the environment due to waste disposal of toxic battery metals into the earth. Full recycling is a long ways off on a mass scale. Digging and mining of metals for EV batteries require large burning of fossil fuels.

Also takes more carbon burning of oil and gas to make one EV and EV battery than ICE vehicle of same type and size. Increase in size of Electrical grid will require more burning of fossil fuels to make the lines, towers, wind turbines, etc.

Minor damage and repairs cannot be made on expensive EV battery thus requiring replacement of entire battery. Insurance companies are balking at paying for replacement of entire battery and or new car due to minor battery problems. When the warranty runs out then look out.
EVs including Tesla require special expensive tires because of EV weight and other factors. So back to the dealer for everything.

Already a shortage of qualified mechanics to work on EVs.

EV manufacturers including Tesla are dramatically lowering prices in order to sell more EVs to reluctant public.

Already Newer technology may diminish the EV in not too distant future.

Except for local city driving or staying on major interstates and or close to sizeable cities not much practical about driving an EV. Few to no charge stations in vast rural areas of USA and with many stations that are defective or breakdown a lot and sometimes burn up the car electronics.

According to many scientific experts stating their opinions in news such as the WSJ, etc. The green evolution of many years has yielded a less than 1% reduction in carbon emissions in USA while other large major countries get a free pass/free ride on mandates.

My memory still good to go. I neither hate nor love EVs but believe there are two sides to every story.

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Like some other items many EV parts, batteries are made in countries with slave labor and child labor in some. Child labor is being used in Africa for mining of metals/minerals for EV batteries. I find the articles in casual reading of Google and Edge and MSN news page.

I find online news from reputable outfits to be more honest and accurate than cable news. Cut my cable TV many years ago and never looked back. Do a lot free streaming of news and movies and still time for fishing/camping. Most satisfying. Cheers to those with common sense.

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^You remembered 12 out of 10 reasons right off the top o yer noggin there! Nice work.


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Posted: 04/15/23 11:27am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here we go again in Tow Vehicles.

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2oldman wrote:

Here we go again in Tow Vehicles.


Some EV cars and trucks are also tow vehicles bud.

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NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Some EV cars and trucks are also tow vehicles bubba joe.
As if any further discussion is going to involve towing.

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2oldman wrote:

NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Some EV cars and trucks are also tow vehicles bubba joe.
As if any further discussion is going to involve towing.


Thank you old salt I forgot to say I recently read that towing a load also GREATLY reduces the range of an EV and if one is running the AC then another GREAT reduction in range. Maybe stay with tiny tear drop TT trailers. They are great looking vehicles including the EV trucks like Ford and Ram.

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More fearmongering.


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