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RE: Best Built 5er?

The latest issue of RV Business Magazine featured a new company called Alliance RV. Currently they are building one model of 5er and introducing a toy hauler this Fall. What stood out for me is their philosophy on quality. Everybody talks quality, but these guys build an aluminum-framed trailer with Azdel sides and rear, one piece fiberglass front cap and PVC roof. Suspension is reinforced spring hangers, Mor-Ryde equalizers, HD wet bolt shackles, G-rated tires and optional disc brakes. . Nothing special about any of those specs, many out there are the same..
johndeerefarmer 10/16/20 10:30am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Azdel or not?

I would NEVER trust a typical EPDM roof for 10 years unless it was stored more than 50% of the time out of the sun. If stored in the elements, somewhere between 5 and 10 years, it needs to be removed and replaced. My EDPM roof was 13 yrs old when I sold the TT and tight as a drum. I cleaned it once a year, and re-coated it at the 10-year mark. Just need to very careful about using products that are not petroleum based. The lap sealant around openings had a tendency to crack and separate but the rubber itself was fine. No question Azdel is superior to luan for water resistance, but it's only one component. There is a new company called Alliance RV that is making 5ers (no TT's) with aluminum frame, azdel sheathing on side and rear walls, one piece fiberglas front cap and PVC roof. But you still have insulation and that 1/8" interior wallboard...so a water leak may not cause structural damage, but it will still soak the insulation and interior wallboard and create a mold issue. So leak damage is potentially less expensive to repair, but it doesn't allow you to not worry about having to re-seal the trailer. As an aside, you would expect that kind of construction in a 5er costing $100k+... Which brings you full circle...if you have to seal the trailer anyway, luan and wood framing is every bit as good as azdel and aluminum if they stay dry....
BurbMan 10/16/20 09:03am Travel Trailers
Best Built 5er?

The latest issue of RV Business Magazine featured a new company called Alliance RV. Currently they are building one model of 5er and introducing a toy hauler this Fall. What stood out for me is their philosophy on quality. Everybody talks quality, but these guys build an aluminum-framed trailer with Azdel sides and rear, one piece fiberglass front cap and PVC roof. Suspension is reinforced spring hangers, Mor-Ryde equalizers, HD wet bolt shackles, G-rated tires and optional disc brakes. Of course they have all the bells, whistles and shiny stuff you want on a high-end RV, but it's also rot-proof and tows down the road reliably. Sounds like they put they some money behind the walls, not just where you can see it. I know build quality has been a consistent complaint from TT/5er owners for as long as I've been on this forum, so thought I would pass this along if anyone is in the market.
BurbMan 10/14/20 11:47am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

My impression from reading here and elsewhere is that the coolaid is just as strong on the anti alliance side as it is on the pro alliance side. Their marketing is strong to be sure and maybe thats what either sets expectations higher than the price, or attracts certain buyers interested in the differentiating details such as they are. Three smaller ACs no ducting. Are folks reporting uneven cooling? To me its important to run two of them on 30A but we have no intentions of full timing and expect to use 30A campsites. The 310 is on my short list cause DW likes it and because the shower is large enough for my big frame. I guess i don't have a strong cool aid reaction either way cause they appear to be in line with the price point and I'm not expecting mobile suites quality for a grand design price. But i would like to see more detail re where these guys fall short for the price point or if the marketing has just set expectations too high and folks are expecting to see a modernized hitchkiker.
dlleno 10/02/20 09:42am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

I'm on the Alliance Facebook thing and many are buying them and it seems they are having quite a bit of QC issues which Alliance is taking care of, but given all the hype, there shouldn't be any to begin with. I do like some of the ideas they have, haven't seen 1 in person yet and not a floorpan that triggers my finger. We recently had our DD and 3mo old grandson w/ us for a week in 5er in sig and it's surprising as to how fast a 41' RV becomes cramped. Got the DW and I to thinking perhaps about a toy hauler. Here again, although Alliance has 3 TH plans, nothing appealing. Do like their idea on the Azdel walls and different material for ramp door (more waterproof??). One thing that kinda stinks is that Alliance doesn't offer slide toppers upon manufacture. Instead it's a dealer install item.
ACZL 10/02/20 07:19am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

My wife and I drove four hours round trip to look at an Alliance. Wish I had my gas money back.... Nothing special at all. As mentioned, the AC is not ducted. Look at some pics on line. Same AC in the living area as I have in my cheap TT. And if you look at them in person you will find more WTH items. The kool-aid is strong with this brand. But dig a little, and it's the same old s***. I totally agree. I'd say they same about Vanleigh.
pcm1959 10/01/20 07:21pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

My wife and I drove four hours round trip to look at an Alliance. Wish I had my gas money back.... Nothing special at all. As mentioned, the AC is not ducted. Look at some pics on line. Same AC in the living area as I have in my cheap TT. And if you look at them in person you will find more WTH items. The kool-aid is strong with this brand. But dig a little, and it's the same old s***.
lcseds 10/01/20 11:21am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Heartland Big Horn Fifth Wheel Trailers

I am not a my brand is best type guy as it depends on what works for you plus how you spend your money is none of my business. All I can do is relate what we found. We looked at Big Horns, GD Solitudes, Redwoods, Villanos, and Jayco Pinnacle's for over 6 months earlier this year, off and on, before deciding on the Pinnacle. I would have looked an Alliance Paradigm if I could have found one within a reasonable distance. We were able to compare several models at an rv/boat show in January and actually liked the Redwood best but we were never able to find the model we wanted as none were available, anywhere. We finally boiled it down to the Solitude and the Pinnacle. We liked both but the Pinnacle had a few more features and most of all had a 2 year full warranty plus a 3 year structural. All the others were one year. We've got about 40 nights in it and so far the only issue was a locked compressor on the bedroom ac from day 1, which was immediately replaced. It was easy to cool on a 97 degree day and heated nicely on a 20 degree night just a couple of weeks ago. The wife really likes the Insignia residential style range/oven. I really haven't found anything I would consider shoddy workmanship but I also understand that it is not a high end fifth wheel so my expectations are made accordingly. There was a model of the Big Horn we particularly liked but I can't remember which one it was. Have a 2012 3070 RSL Fifth wheel 34 ft.. It has been a great with few issues that were all taken care by the Heartland warranty service. I was always able to call their tech support to help resolve issues. Replace all the tires before you ever drive it off the lot. All tires on new trailers are cheap which give you flat tires and damage to your rig. Buy LT G rated tires. I have always used Goodyear. The dealer in Oregon has a RV park lot across the street where I stayed over night to check out and learn how to use all the systems.
MarkTwain 09/27/20 06:36pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Heartland Big Horn Fifth Wheel Trailers

I am not a my brand is best type guy as it depends on what works for you plus how you spend your money is none of my business. All I can do is relate what we found. We looked at Big Horns, GD Solitudes, Redwoods, Villanos, and Jayco Pinnacle's for over 6 months earlier this year, off and on, before deciding on the Pinnacle. I would have looked an Alliance Paradigm if I could have found one within a reasonable distance. We were able to compare several models at an rv/boat show in January and actually liked the Redwood best but we were never able to find the model we wanted as none were available, anywhere. We finally boiled it down to the Solitude and the Pinnacle. We liked both but the Pinnacle had a few more features and most of all had a 2 year full warranty plus a 3 year structural. All the others were one year. We've got about 40 nights in it and so far the only issue was a locked compressor on the bedroom ac from day 1, which was immediately replaced. It was easy to cool on a 97 degree day and heated nicely on a 20 degree night just a couple of weeks ago. The wife really likes the Insignia residential style range/oven. I really haven't found anything I would consider shoddy workmanship but I also understand that it is not a high end fifth wheel so my expectations are made accordingly. There was a model of the Big Horn we particularly liked but I can't remember which one it was.
JTrac 09/27/20 03:39pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Looking for opinions on Open Range Quality

I have a very well made Open Range 5th wheel. It was something like the 491st unit the new company made back in 2009. My take on buying a quality camper nowadays is choose an upstart company. Buy a unit late in their first year or in their second year. Because once they make a name for themselves one of the big three corporations will buy them out and start cutting corners to maximize their profit. This is exactly what happened with Open Range. Take a look at the new Alliance RV's. They are currently working hard on quality and customer service. I give it 3 years and they will be entertaining buyout offers. Get one while they are still building their reputation. Sounds a lot like Grand Design, They sold out after a few years and it sounds like their quality is also going down from where they once were. Dan Grand Design in 2020 is not the Grand Design of the mid 20 teens. Absolute junk, we just took the hit and dumped a 2020 purchased early in 2019 just to get away from the POS and company, which was our 2nd GD product. A lot changed between 2013 and now and none of it for the better.. From what I have seen at shows and on dealers lots Open Range is a mediocre run of the mill Thor Industries brand at best, just like the vast majority of others. You always will find the brand kool aid drinkers who are afflicted with branditis. If you are considering Open Range, may as well consider the other Thor offerings such as Heartland, Keystone, or Dutchmen, and Forest River or Winnebago also. Basically all the same garbage when it comes down to it.
GDS-3950BH 09/26/20 09:35am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Looking for opinions on Open Range Quality

I have a very well made Open Range 5th wheel. It was something like the 491st unit the new company made back in 2009. My take on buying a quality camper nowadays is choose an upstart company. Buy a unit late in their first year or in their second year. Because once they make a name for themselves one of the big three corporations will buy them out and start cutting corners to maximize their profit. This is exactly what happened with Open Range. Take a look at the new Alliance RV's. They are currently working hard on quality and customer service. I give it 3 years and they will be entertaining buyout offers. Get one while they are still building their reputation. Sounds a lot like Grand Design, They sold out after a few years and it sounds like their quality is also going down from where they once were. Dan
Hammerboy 09/25/20 11:12am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Looking for opinions on Open Range Quality

I have a very well made Open Range 5th wheel. It was something like the 491st unit the new company made back in 2009. My take on buying a quality camper nowadays is choose an upstart company. Buy a unit late in their first year or in their second year. Because once they make a name for themselves one of the big three corporations will buy them out and start cutting corners to maximize their profit. This is exactly what happened with Open Range. Take a look at the new Alliance RV's. They are currently working hard on quality and customer service. I give it 3 years and they will be entertaining buyout offers. Get one while they are still building their reputation.
schlep1967 09/24/20 09:50am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Nikola and GM team up to make 900 HP Electric Supertruck.

The announcement was not marketing hype. The announcement was a business transaction (strategic partnership) announcing that one business was buying service/product from another. Investors see this as positive, and react with purchasing stock. Last week, GM and Honda announced they have signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding following extensive preliminary discussions toward establishing a North American automotive alliance. Today, GM announced that the Ultium battery – the power source behind GM’s future EV portfolio - will feature an almost completely wireless battery management system, or wBMS. I think I see a GMC Hummer soon!And just a coincidence that the stock of both companies, Nikola especially, took a big jump? And a company that doesn't even have a real product? Nikola I mean. Not marketing hype, riiiiiiiight. Wink wink, nudge nudge. You know what they say Suckers born every minute, I feel sorry for all investing money in NKLA bc they will lose it all. Trevor Milton is a scammer extraordinare his vid of pretending to break ground on a factory in Az proves it as its still empty field now Btw he also sold milions of Nikola stocks bought a private jet and built biggest house on huge acreage. Why not invest that into EV factory!? GM will never make any fool cell trucks, its just isnt financialy feasible,profitable practical,they will just keep on postponing and make up all kinds of promises while pushing gasoline and diesels.
free radical 09/09/20 10:09pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Nikola and GM team up to make 900 HP Electric Supertruck.

The announcement was not marketing hype. The announcement was a business transaction (strategic partnership) announcing that one business was buying service/product from another. Investors see this as positive, and react with purchasing stock. Last week, GM and Honda announced they have signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding following extensive preliminary discussions toward establishing a North American automotive alliance. Today, GM announced that the Ultium battery – the power source behind GM’s future EV portfolio - will feature an almost completely wireless battery management system, or wBMS. I think I see a GMC Hummer soon!And just a coincidence that the stock of both companies, Nikola especially, took a big jump? And a company that doesn't even have a real product? Nikola I mean. Not marketing hype, riiiiiiiight. Wink wink, nudge nudge. I'm old enough to remember when Tusk said there was going to be "1,000,000 Robo taxies" by the end of this year and Tesla stock went way up after this news. 1,000,000 Robo Taxies by the end of 2020. I haven's seen one let alone 1,000,000! About time GM got with the times and start ripping people off! :B
Turtle n Peeps 09/09/20 06:27pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Nikola and GM team up to make 900 HP Electric Supertruck.

The announcement was not marketing hype. The announcement was a business transaction (strategic partnership) announcing that one business was buying service/product from another. Investors see this as positive, and react with purchasing stock. Last week, GM and Honda announced they have signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding following extensive preliminary discussions toward establishing a North American automotive alliance. Today, GM announced that the Ultium battery – the power source behind GM’s future EV portfolio - will feature an almost completely wireless battery management system, or wBMS. I think I see a GMC Hummer soon!And just a coincidence that the stock of both companies, Nikola especially, took a big jump? And a company that doesn't even have a real product? Nikola I mean. Not marketing hype, riiiiiiiight. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
fj12ryder 09/09/20 03:43pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Nikola and GM team up to make 900 HP Electric Supertruck.

The announcement was not marketing hype. The announcement was a business transaction (strategic partnership) announcing that one business was buying service/product from another. Investors see this as positive, and react with purchasing stock. Last week, GM and Honda announced they have signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding following extensive preliminary discussions toward establishing a North American automotive alliance. Today, GM announced that the Ultium battery – the power source behind GM’s future EV portfolio - will feature an almost completely wireless battery management system, or wBMS. I think I see a GMC Hummer soon!
Dadoffourgirls 09/09/20 02:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

This new RV has caught my attention, but like others, want to see how they are after new owners get them. I like their ideas and concepts and for right now seem to listen to people and make changes based on suggestions. We all want to see now what they are going to offer in terms of floor-plans and all but they (Alliance) are keeping their cards close to their chests. As this year goes forward, more models will be released. Big question tho is, are they going to stick to their guns and really be 100% customer focused, take time to manufacture RV's in a quality fashion and not rush them out the door or not? By the time the Hershey show is here, they should have more floorpans to see. Also, folks that have bought them already should as well be offering their take on them.. This is a good observation that is holding thus far imho. They have assembled an interesting collection of big wiggs from other companies (including GD) but what intrigues me is their presumed ability to compete at this price point. So far my observation is that they are no nu-wa (hitchiker) by any means, with no apparent intentions thereunto, either. But they have made the splash and turned some heads so now its time to deliver. Can they reliably laminate to Azdel? Are the seals around the roof perimeter any better than others? Is PVC roof better for the customer or better for the mfg? What industry contribution or claim to fame are they trying to achieve? I hope its more than color coded wires and folding shower seats Im trying to discern what they are really selling. If its just coach features identified via crowd sourcing then they won't be leaders very long. If its customer engagement then its a me-too grand design company. But if its a better trailer then they will have to earn that reputation over time, with more than just de-rating gvw below the sum of axle rating and pin weight.
dlleno 07/28/20 01:59pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Two features a must in a fifth. Who builds them

Not one of the Alliance models have awnings the fully protect the entrance from sun or rain.
ivbinconned 07/21/20 03:54pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Two features a must in a fifth. Who builds them

Thew new Alliance 5ers appear to meet the awning requirement as well https://www.alliancerv.com/fifth-wheel-paradigm.php
dlleno 07/21/20 01:59pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: The better 5th wheeler?

W You also might want to look at the brand new line called Alliance, they really listen to the consumer and also have been very customer supportive so far, now there are not a lot of them out there just yet so time could tell a different story. Good luck on your search. I was going to mention the same company. What I've seen is the new startups provide good customer service and build a name for themselves for the first 5 years. Once they build a good customer base, one of the large conglomerates offers them more money than they can walk away from. The founders retire and the new customers, buying on the recommendation of the early customers, start finding there are no corners in the new units. Why no corners? Because the bean counters at the conglomerates cut all the corners to save money.
schlep1967 06/30/20 10:01am Fifth-Wheels
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