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RE: Cybertruck can have ladder rack after all...

It is a valid concern Shiner but as you and I have discussed infrastructure is not static. Adding a half dozen J1772 32 amp Level 2 locations would probably suffice for the next couple decades and would be compatible with every EV. Probably just get a company like ChargePoint to put them in and then just share the profit. Maybe do it modular. A couple at first, a couple more when they get busy etc. ChargePoint is good at that kind of thing. I noticed on one of my appraisal trips that one of the campgrounds near Kelowna put a clipper creek 40 amp unit in last year. Probably the first campground close to us with a permanent J1772. But what about getting power to these chargers? The more chargers they add, the more they need to upgrade the lines going to these chargers. You are not dealing with just one utility company here. You are dealing with hundreds of independent entities with different budgets, manpower, supplies, priorities, and so on. Then you have the cost to upgrade these lines which will go to the end user causing their electric bill to increase. The ones this will hurt the most will be the poor. All I am saying is that it is not as simple as some tend to think and you these changes will require more than just putting in a charger and will effect more than just the EV owner. Agreed, that is why I say infrastructure is not static. It is constantly evolving. Take the Clipper creek unit in my pictures. That company made a decision to spend probably a few grand on putting that unit in. At this point I don't think it draws a lot of clientele but who knows in the future. They have a start though. That park is kind of a summer Vacation park with lots of permanents on leased lots. My guess is there are a bunch of owners/leasers with EV's (common in this area) and they got together and put it in. Just a guess. Surprisingly it is not a pay unit. Essentially free. That is the advantage of going with a company like chargepoint. They do all the work and just cut you in on the profits. You are missing my point. I am not talking about the people putting in the chargers needing to upgrade their infrastructure. I am talking about the utility company that sends the power to that charger. A few or maybe even a dozen chargers are fine especially when there are so few EV's out their. However, adding more chargers and and more people using them will require more power, larger lines to send that power, and more substations to keep up the volume. Things that will cost a lot of money and that over 80% of the different utility companies are even ready for and will not be ready for in the next 20 or 30 years according to the smart electric power alliance. My brother works for City Public Service in San Antonio in underground utilities. His main job is adding new lines or upgrading existing lines to larger ones due to demand along with repairing old lines in the underground areas downtown. They can't even keep up with the demand of adding new or upgraded lines for new buildings and the added pollution let alone alone what would happen if hundreds of chargers were added. A few here and there are fine, but hundreds were require a major overhaul of their downtown grid. They have enough power due to their coal plants, wind mills, solar, and nuclear plants, but the infrastructure to meet the demand is way behind and they don't have the money or manpower to meet it even in the coming decades due to barely being able to keep up now. This would require additional funding and manpower which will come at the expense of people's electric bill. Some estimates say that the bills could double or even triple which will have a significant impact on the poor and will likely push many in the middle class below the poverty line. Yes, the next few decades will definitely bring change. I can't really relate to the US situation which I hear is dire. From what I hear from posters on this forum and others the US grid is hopelessly out of date and constantly on the verge of collapse with very little hope of keeping up. I get that but many countries around the world are seeing their way to adjust to the estimated 19 to 22 percent increase of power needed to electrify the personal passenger fleet of vehicles. Sorry, I don't know much about the US grid issues, just what I read here. New micro grid technologies will be employed to get a better handle on it as well. Here is an example of a covered enclosure that will suit the daily power needs of the average daily commuter. (6-8 KW) This kind of approach will work in some areas lightening the load on the grid in others. This kind of thing is actually getting more common in California. I have seen this type of installation in Germany as well but the roofs were much steeper. :) https://live.staticflickr.com/4809/46600550421_d981c4aea8_z.jpg Variations on a theme. https://live.staticflickr.com/7870/45876347484_be82c10be0_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/7925/31659542637_d2c310b2f6_z.jpg This one is in a Washington State park. 10 minute setup. About 35000 bucks. Truck drives in and drops it off. Built in storage. Great for isolated areas. Built in San diego. There is no singe solution but rather a collage. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49710808487_f83073abff_c.jpg
Reisender 04/09/20 10:25am Tow Vehicles
RE: Cybertruck can have ladder rack after all...

It is a valid concern Shiner but as you and I have discussed infrastructure is not static. Adding a half dozen J1772 32 amp Level 2 locations would probably suffice for the next couple decades and would be compatible with every EV. Probably just get a company like ChargePoint to put them in and then just share the profit. Maybe do it modular. A couple at first, a couple more when they get busy etc. ChargePoint is good at that kind of thing. I noticed on one of my appraisal trips that one of the campgrounds near Kelowna put a clipper creek 40 amp unit in last year. Probably the first campground close to us with a permanent J1772. But what about getting power to these chargers? The more chargers they add, the more they need to upgrade the lines going to these chargers. You are not dealing with just one utility company here. You are dealing with hundreds of independent entities with different budgets, manpower, supplies, priorities, and so on. Then you have the cost to upgrade these lines which will go to the end user causing their electric bill to increase. The ones this will hurt the most will be the poor. All I am saying is that it is not as simple as some tend to think and you these changes will require more than just putting in a charger and will effect more than just the EV owner. Agreed, that is why I say infrastructure is not static. It is constantly evolving. Take the Clipper creek unit in my pictures. That company made a decision to spend probably a few grand on putting that unit in. At this point I don't think it draws a lot of clientele but who knows in the future. They have a start though. That park is kind of a summer Vacation park with lots of permanents on leased lots. My guess is there are a bunch of owners/leasers with EV's (common in this area) and they got together and put it in. Just a guess. Surprisingly it is not a pay unit. Essentially free. That is the advantage of going with a company like chargepoint. They do all the work and just cut you in on the profits. You are missing my point. I am not talking about the people putting in the chargers needing to upgrade their infrastructure. I am talking about the utility company that sends the power to that charger. A few or maybe even a dozen chargers are fine especially when there are so few EV's out their. However, adding more chargers and and more people using them will require more power, larger lines to send that power, and more substations to keep up the volume. Things that will cost a lot of money and that over 80% of the different utility companies are even ready for and will not be ready for in the next 20 or 30 years according to the smart electric power alliance. My brother works for City Public Service in San Antonio in underground utilities. His main job is adding new lines or upgrading existing lines to larger ones due to demand along with repairing old lines in the underground areas downtown. They can't even keep up with the demand of adding new or upgraded lines for new buildings and the added pollution let alone alone what would happen if hundreds of chargers were added. A few here and there are fine, but hundreds were require a major overhaul of their downtown grid. They have enough power due to their coal plants, wind mills, solar, and nuclear plants, but the infrastructure to meet the demand is way behind and they don't have the money or manpower to meet it even in the coming decades due to barely being able to keep up now. This would require additional funding and manpower which will come at the expense of people's electric bill. Some estimates say that the bills could double or even triple which will have a significant impact on the poor and will likely push many in the middle class below the poverty line.
ShinerBock 04/09/20 10:00am Tow Vehicles
Paradigm RV alliance

Here's a new residential grade RV that's new to the market. Probably has better construction than your run of the mill RV. Link
FishOnOne 03/01/20 12:31pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Three ACs and no seat in the shower. :h 3 AC's because there's no ducting. I believe Alliance uses 3 AC's because someone there recognized that 2 AC's may not be adequate in hot weather. I have a 2019 GD Solitude with 2 15K ducted AC units and we have problems getting it cool in hot and humid weather. That is with awnings deployed and sun shades on all windows exposed to direct sun. Grand Design should at least pre wire for a 3AC unit on their larger 5th wheels so the owner could easily add a 3rd AC if desired. What???!!! Even with their "40" R value roof!! Want a laugh, here is even a dealer making fun of manufacturers claims. Exposing False R values Full disclosure, we are in the process of selling our 11 Brookstone (that worked very well with one A/C) to buy a 17 Solitude. But eyes wide open.
Winged One 02/24/20 06:48am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Windsheld Wipers

Freightliner uses Alliance parts are those are pretty good
FUSIONALB 02/18/20 07:43am Tow Vehicles
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

This new RV has caught my attention, but like others, want to see how they are after new owners get them. I like their ideas and concepts and for right now seem to listen to people and make changes based on suggestions. We all want to see now what they are going to offer in terms of floor-plans and all but they (Alliance) are keeping their cards close to their chests. As this year goes forward, more models will be released. Big question tho is, are they going to stick to their guns and really be 100% customer focused, take time to manufacture RV's in a quality fashion and not rush them out the door or not? By the time the Hershey show is here, they should have more floorpans to see. Also, folks that have bought them already should as well be offering their take on them.. Funny, SWMBO texted me about the company. Looking at their products, it looks nice. Think they are missing the mark on internal storage, and not sure I'm ready for that much glass in an RV. Don't know if they were at Novi MI show, we were pretty focused on looking a just a couple of different models. I've heard the quality discussion before. Time will tell.
philh 02/17/20 10:04am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Electric Fire Places

We have 2, 1 in the LR and other in BR. Like others, we also love them. Funny thing is, we cannot use both at same time, but can run 2 A/C's at same time------oh well. Depending on temp, we leave the BR on at night, and then turn it off and switch on the LR one. Stay in bed awhile longer so LR/kit area has a chance to warm up some. If really cold, will still use BR fireplace and turn finance on too. Many moons ago DW and I saw a fireplace in BR of a "Triumph"(?????) brand RV and thought that was coooooooool. See that Alliance RV's have fireplaces that pull out for storage behind them. Do believe that if we ever get another coach, it too will have at least 1 fireplace.
ACZL 02/09/20 06:01am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

This new RV has caught my attention, but like others, want to see how they are after new owners get them. I like their ideas and concepts and for right now seem to listen to people and make changes based on suggestions. We all want to see now what they are going to offer in terms of floor-plans and all but they (Alliance) are keeping their cards close to their chests. As this year goes forward, more models will be released. Big question tho is, are they going to stick to their guns and really be 100% customer focused, take time to manufacture RV's in a quality fashion and not rush them out the door or not? By the time the Hershey show is here, they should have more floorpans to see. Also, folks that have bought them already should as well be offering their take on them..
ACZL 01/29/20 08:26am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Three ACs and no seat in the shower. :h 3 AC's because there's no ducting. I believe Alliance uses 3 AC's because someone there recognized that 2 AC's may not be adequate in hot weather. I have a 2019 GD Solitude with 2 15K ducted AC units and we have problems getting it cool in hot and humid weather. That is with awnings deployed and sun shades on all windows exposed to direct sun. Grand Design should at least pre wire for a 3AC unit on their larger 5th wheels so the owner could easily add a 3rd AC if desired. They use 3 AC's because that don't use ducted AC. The two in the living area are whats needed because of no ducting. The one in the bedroom is ducted to the bathroom since cool air can't go through walls. It's also way quieter than your GD's ducted AC.
goducks10 01/25/20 12:09pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Three ACs and no seat in the shower. :h 3 AC's because there's no ducting. I believe Alliance uses 3 AC's because someone there recognized that 2 AC's may not be adequate in hot weather. I have a 2019 GD Solitude with 2 15K ducted AC units and we have problems getting it cool in hot and humid weather. That is with awnings deployed and sun shades on all windows exposed to direct sun. Grand Design should at least pre wire for a 3AC unit on their larger 5th wheels so the owner could easily add a 3rd AC if desired.
smlranger 01/25/20 07:56am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

I'll bet a fast food dinner deluxe that the selling price on the much drooled on Lifestyle was way, way more then any similar sized offering from Alliance or Grand Design. Funny how many people want the build quality of a $200,000 RV and complain when they don't see it in an RV with and MSRP of $80,000. Hmm, wonder why that is? Because, if the mfrs took a bit longer building an RV, it would most likely be built much better, so they'd have many less warranty claims, so less overhead built in. I'd be willing to be that if they dropped the piece-pay and went to a decent hourly pay, and cut production #s by 5% and spread that time out to the rigs built, they'd have a =much= better product for not a lot much more. Lyle
laknox 01/24/20 09:30am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

At the Tampa RV show I found the Redwood, Cedar Creek champagne, and Grand Design Solitude to offer more than the Alliance if one considers the 10k difference in full body paint. The the others suspensions were more robust, appliance seletion, wire sizing, plumbing and fixtures were either the same or better. Alliance was rather silent on A/C ducting and insulation as compared to others. No data on temperature variations in the living and storage areas. Allience offer heavy 4K springs, but the axles and brakes were still 7Ks. The others had 8K axels and brakes. I am glad to see more competition in the RV industry, but this new commer needs to climb the moutain a little more aggressively and I am not sure if they are RVIA certified. I am somewhat concerned that the managment credentials are not engineering oriented. Thats because they ARE NOT.... they BOTH have backgrounds in finance,,, They are bean counters... Read their story....
ford truck guy 01/23/20 06:21pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

At the Tampa RV show I found the Redwood, Cedar Creek champagne, and Grand Design Solitude to offer more than the Alliance if one considers the 10k difference in full body paint. The the others suspensions were more robust, appliance seletion, wire sizing, plumbing and fixtures were either the same or better. Alliance was rather silent on A/C ducting and insulation as compared to others. No data on temperature variations in the living and storage areas. Allience offer heavy 4K springs, but the axles and brakes were still 7Ks. The others had 8K axels and brakes. I am glad to see more competition in the RV industry, but this new commer needs to climb the moutain a little more aggressively and I am not sure if they are RVIA certified. I am somewhat concerned that the managment credentials are not engineering oriented.
neal10a 01/23/20 05:06pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

It sounds like you have buyers paying for the privilege of being the short and long term testing departments. Just think Grand Design was a small start up just a few years ago. Grew big, cashed out and now they have a cult like following. Dan Yep, and the first one we had rolled out the the factory door the end of the 2nd month the factory was open for business. I feel we were extremely lucky knowing what I know about issues others had roundabout the same time. Never joined the cult. Yep, I never bought into the GD cult either. The reality is they are just another Indiana manufacturer that follows the same culture of the slapped together mentality with Lippert everything. My guess is Alliance has seen the success of Grand Design and are trying to follow the same path of success until they can sell out for big $$. The bigger a company gets generally the worse the service is going to be. I do hope for all the best for them though. Dan
Hammerboy 01/22/20 09:25am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Alliance RV is selling units now. There are some dealers with small numbers on their lots but they are selling out very fast through the RV shows. They are currently being produced at their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built, but they are manufacturing units for sale. They have at least 3 models they are currently showing (and selling) at the rv shows through their dealer network. Here is a unit you can buy today. https://www.cousinsrv.com/product/fifth-wheel/new?s=true&manufacturer=alliance+rv No dog in this fight just stating facts. There really isn't a lot different that I see between these and Grand Design, Montana, Pinnacle or Vanleigh. Lippert frame, dexter axles, similar if not identical layouts, furniture etc.. That's interesting, whoda thunk? Not sure I would be up for laying down the coin for one of the first few to roll out of "their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built". Then again they may be the best RV ever made, but I highly doubt it. It sounds like you have buyers paying for the privilege of being the short and long term testing departments.
GDS-3950BH 01/22/20 06:52am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Alliance RV is selling units now. There are some dealers with small numbers on their lots but they are selling out very fast through the RV shows. They are currently being produced at their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built, but they are manufacturing units for sale. They have at least 3 models they are currently showing (and selling) at the rv shows through their dealer network. Here is a unit you can buy today. https://www.cousinsrv.com/product/fifth-wheel/new?s=true&manufacturer=alliance+rv No dog in this fight just stating facts. There really isn't a lot different that I see between these and Grand Design, Montana, Pinnacle or Vanleigh. Lippert frame, dexter axles, similar if not identical layouts, furniture etc..
work2much 01/21/20 02:03pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

^^. GDS hit the nail on the head. It is a prototype of a single model. Ran across the story on an RV trade publication website. The Tampa show was its first appearance. FWIW, RV One and LazyDays in Florida have apparently signed on to the Alliance dealer network.
thomasmnile 01/21/20 12:23pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBnnwuXPpYHERE is a video done by a man named Traveling Robert who looked at the new Alliance line. Right off the bat, it's a good looking rig. IMO he was looking at a custom built prototype, where they probably took the time to do an extra special job, especially in the fit and finish department. They apparently have 4 prototypes that they are rotating around the winter RV shows . What they don't have yet is a production facility. I would bet the units that get built on a production line by pieceworkers will be slightly different.
GDS-3950BH 01/21/20 11:14am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

judging from the comments about Alliance, I think they show how much the folks want improvement in durability and quality in the RV industry. Is Alliance going to fill that need, I am not sure. It is new and unproven, but I don't see it as that much of improvement over its competition. Vanleigh had similar responces when it came out, but it has not proven to be better than its competition. In short many people are quick to jump for anything touted to be better and improved, while in reality it is not so. caveat emptor....
neal10a 01/21/20 10:11am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBnnwuXPpYHERE is a video done by a man named Traveling Robert who looked at the new Alliance line. Right off the bat, it's a good looking rig.
texanrvr 01/20/20 05:33pm Fifth-Wheels
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