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Yosemite Sam1

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pianotuna wrote:

Here is an interesting tidbit. Ford Transit BEV.

https://insideevs.com/news/343761/2021-f........transit-electric-van-everything-we-know/
Amazon just ordered 100,000 of these..... from Rivian


I wonder why the launch is in Europe (Amsterdam).

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Here is an interesting tidbit. Ford Transit BEV.

https://insideevs.com/news/343761/2021-f........transit-electric-van-everything-we-know/
Amazon just ordered 100,000 of these..... from Rivian


I wonder why the launch is in Europe (Amsterdam).


Probably a few reasons.

EV Infrastructure is much more modern and built out in general in europe.

The netherlands is kind of the new and up and coming Norway for EV's in europe. The Tesla model 3 is literally the number one selling car there. Not electric car, but any car. Demand is much higher than supply right now.

Distances are shorter so a shorter range vehicle is a good fit.

Vehicle emission standards are almost exclusive of any gas or diesel burning vehicle in some cities now. If you are a politician and you are not a hard a$$ on city air quality and pollution you don't have a chance. We have a lot of family there and it has really become a hot topic in the last 5 years. That and they want their vehicles to be as quiet as a bike. Kinda cool.

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Reisender wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Here is an interesting tidbit. Ford Transit BEV.

https://insideevs.com/news/343761/2021-f........transit-electric-van-everything-we-know/
Amazon just ordered 100,000 of these..... from Rivian


I wonder why the launch is in Europe (Amsterdam).


Probably a few reasons.

EV Infrastructure is much more modern and built out in general in europe.

The netherlands is kind of the new and up and coming Norway for EV's in europe. The Tesla model 3 is literally the number one selling car there. Not electric car, but any car. Demand is much higher than supply right now.

Distances are shorter so a shorter range vehicle is a good fit.

Vehicle emission standards are almost exclusive of any gas or diesel burning vehicle in some cities now. If you are a politician and you are not a hard a$$ on city air quality and pollution you don't have a chance. We have a lot of family there and it has really become a hot topic in the last 5 years. That and they want their vehicles to be as quiet as a bike. Kinda cool.


Excellent analysis! I agree with you.

I was just in Europe and with the heat had to wear a Tesla hat and whenever I stop gets asked if I own one and even if I answer no, would be treated like a royalty (lol, the last one was an exaggeration).

And in Europe, clean air, climate change and a healthy natural environment is not a partisan political issue.

* This post was edited 09/21/19 11:48am by Yosemite Sam1 *

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Excellent analysis! I agree with you.

I was just in Europe and with the heat had to wear a Tesla hat and whenever I stop gets asked if I own one and even if I answer no, would be treated like a royalty (lol, the last one was an exaggeration).

And in Europe, clean air, climate change and a healthy natural environment is not a partisan political issue.


Europe is the greatest, other than we had to set them straight a couple of times. Why not move there? I would suggest France, you would fit right in. You can thank me later[emoticon]

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I think population density and the MUCH higher cost of fuel makes Europe a better place to launch. For example:

US $ and US Gallon

Paris $5.54

London UK $5.79

Frankfurt $5.57


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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:


And in Europe, clean air, climate change and a healthy natural environment is not a partisan political issue.


Is that why the EU has a NOx limit 30 times higher than the US, and up until Euro 6 had a much higher PM, CO, and CO2 limit for vehicles? Is that also why the US CO2 output has decreased the passed several years while the EU has increased in the past two years?

The reason why it is such a partisan issue here is because you have two sides that disagree on the cause and solution. However, one side dismisses what the other side is saying because they believe that only their's is the correct answer so nothing gets done. Sort of like someone here.

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I think population density and the MUCH higher cost of fuel makes Europe a better place to launch. For example:

US $ and US Gallon

Paris $5.54

London UK $5.79

Frankfurt $5.57


Yah that’s for sure Don. We travel a lot of miles by rental cars in Europe in a bunch of different countries. It’s pricey. A lot of fun though...and hard on the waste line. [emoticon]

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Average price for power in USA is $0.12 per KWH.

Price in UK is $0.20

Price in France is $0.19

Price in Germany is $0.35

Price in Norway is $0.054 (and has doubled in the last year)

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From @2012 Coleman, from the king of gibberish @Bert Ackerman - "Europe is the greatest, other than we had to set them straight a couple of times. Why not move there? I would suggest France, you would fit right in. You can thank me later."

Anyone see any substance on this post?

Or is that channeling your demigod telling an elected representative of her people to "go back (to her country)" stupidly not knowing she was born here?

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Reisender wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

I think population density and the MUCH higher cost of fuel makes Europe a better place to launch. For example:

US $ and US Gallon

Paris $5.54

London UK $5.79

Frankfurt $5.57


Yah that’s for sure Don. We travel a lot of miles by rental cars in Europe in a bunch of different countries. It’s pricey. A lot of fun though...and hard on the waste line. [emoticon]


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