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joelc

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I don't know much about them, but Artic Fox is supposed to be a good brand. We looked at them one time, and the only reason we did not purchase is we did not like the floor plans back then. Give them a look.

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AirSupport wrote:

I still like the Riverstone. Although the one we love is 43’ long, I just wish they made the floor plan at under 40’. Oh well, looks like I’m getting the 43’-er. [emoticon]


Which model? Ours is just under 43' and we have yet run into a issue with size.


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AirSupport wrote:

I still like the Riverstone. Although the one we love is 43’ long, I just wish they made the floor plan at under 40’. Oh well, looks like I’m getting the 43’-er. [emoticon]

Which one?

Looking forward to your review. Riverstone is on our short list

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We looked at the Riverstone 39FKTH. Nice until I looked at the outside dumps. Who wants to crawl under an extended slideout to pull a dump valve. Really Riverstone?? Who are your buyers? High end and you can't put a valve handle in reach without crawling under the trailer?


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So far many RV's like Hartland products are glitz and glammor with inadequate engineering incorporated for travel and endurance. It is difficult to "polish a turd". I fully support entreprenureship if it enhances things that would contribute to a better and improved product. I will sit back and evaluate this new company as they progress. I really hope they come up with a product that moves the RV industry forward. BTY many management folks in the RV industry have been quoted in the past that the reason that past RV manufacturers go out of business was because they put too much quality into the product that diminished the profitability. They felt the public wanted inexpensive rather than quality.

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justme wrote:

So far many RV's like Hartland products are glitz and glammor with inadequate engineering incorporated for travel and endurance. It is difficult to "polish a turd". I fully support entreprenureship if it enhances things that would contribute to a better and improved product. I will sit back and evaluate this new company as they progress. I really hope they come up with a product that moves the RV industry forward. BTY many management folks in the RV industry have been quoted in the past that the reason that past RV manufacturers go out of business was because they put too much quality into the product that diminished the profitability. They felt the public wanted inexpensive rather than quality.


I totally agree. We have seen it before. Theres nothing special about their engineering, frame, or otherwise. Just another cookie cutter like all the others. Since the demise of NuWa, Carriage/Lifestyle, Excel they are all built the same. That goes for Vanleigh, too. Throw a beautiful pint job on it and it's the icing on the cake for the typical American buyer.


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pcm1959 wrote:

justme wrote:

So far many RV's like Hartland products are glitz and glammor with inadequate engineering incorporated for travel and endurance. It is difficult to "polish a turd". I fully support entreprenureship if it enhances things that would contribute to a better and improved product. I will sit back and evaluate this new company as they progress. I really hope they come up with a product that moves the RV industry forward. BTY many management folks in the RV industry have been quoted in the past that the reason that past RV manufacturers go out of business was because they put too much quality into the product that diminished the profitability. They felt the public wanted inexpensive rather than quality.


I totally agree. We have seen it before. Theres nothing special about their engineering, frame, or otherwise. Just another cookie cutter like all the others. Since the demise of NuWa, Carriage/Lifestyle, Excel they are all built the same. That goes for Vanleigh, too. Throw a beautiful pint job on it and it's the icing on the cake for the typical American buyer.


Most people put emphasis on the truck suspension and seem to ignore the trailer suspension. I look at my F350 suspension rated at 11500 lbs GVW and compare it to my 5th wheel suspension rated at 14000 lbs (2X7000) with a GVW of 16000 and wonder why trailer is much flimsier than the truck. Evidently the trailer engineers use a different method to spec their suspension, springs and brakes than the auto industry.

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Would not purchase a rig from them until they were in business for several years.
We purchased a Tesla from Evergreen a few years back and they went out of business and thus we lost our warranty.
Although we have been super happy with the rig and have had no issues it could have been a disaster for us.

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I just read a little into " their story"

Unfortunately I do not think they will do much to improve the industry as BOTH the brothers are "BEAN COUNTERS" by trade..

Now I have nothing against bean counters, but when they are the owners, that makes for a rough ride in my eyes..

Coley Brady -"Prior to Heartland, Coley graduated from the University of Notre Dame and worked as a CPA for KPMG (Chicago office) and Crowe (South Bend office)."

Ryan Brady -"has 9 years of experience in the RV industry. He holds a bachelor’s degree from the University of Notre Dame and an MBA from the University of Chicago. Upon graduation Ryan worked at Prairie Capital, a Chicago based private equity firm"

The bottom line will be more important that quality is what I read... Prove me wrong bros..


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pcm1959 wrote:

justme wrote:

So far many RV's like Hartland products are glitz and glammor with inadequate engineering incorporated for travel and endurance. It is difficult to "polish a turd". I fully support entreprenureship if it enhances things that would contribute to a better and improved product. I will sit back and evaluate this new company as they progress. I really hope they come up with a product that moves the RV industry forward. BTY many management folks in the RV industry have been quoted in the past that the reason that past RV manufacturers go out of business was because they put too much quality into the product that diminished the profitability. They felt the public wanted inexpensive rather than quality.


I totally agree. We have seen it before. Theres nothing special about their engineering, frame, or otherwise. Just another cookie cutter like all the others. Since the demise of NuWa, Carriage/Lifestyle, Excel they are all built the same. That goes for Vanleigh, too. Throw a beautiful pint job on it and it's the icing on the cake for the typical American buyer.


We thought when we bought our Excel 8 years ago that we would maybe do one more, which would have been our 4th Excel. That didn't work out so well. We look but just can't find anything that matches the feel of quality ours has. Most just look flimsy. We don't want anything super heavy or priced like a New Horizon. Excel was kind of in the high middle but not many of those left. I hope this new company builds a good reputation but have my doubts. They do look good though.

We considered an Artic Fox but they do not offer a residential fridge. If they ever do they will be on our list but I'd probably have to drive 800 miles just to see one.


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