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mich800

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Posted: 01/22/20 01:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

4x4ord wrote:

mich800 wrote:

2oldman wrote:

When the highway death toll drops to insignificant numbers, when tailgating and road rage are a thing of the past, when speeding doesn't exist, you will wish this happened sooner.


Not a chance. Some prefer the experience of driving. Not just a means of getting to point B. I will never be the market for that technology.



I would have said something quite similar to you prior to experiencing auto steer on farming equipment. Now I have a hard time having to manually steer the lawn mower.


I have no issues with technology eliminating me from doing work. But work is work. The necessary evil to have the toys to enjoy. One of which is driving.

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Posted: 01/22/20 02:24pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

2oldman wrote:

ford truck guy wrote:

Well, I for 1 really like having the adaptive cruise control.
When non-adaptive cruise first came out in the 70s I had several buddies who wouldn't have it because it was "too dangerous."

Fine, you want to push a gas pedal for 300 miles, be my guest.
I believe cruise control came out in the sixties, I know my 67 Buick Riviera had it. I know George Barris (Golden Sahara*) had adaptive cruise control using radar. The car could be controled in a multitude of ways as well.

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mich800 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

mich800 wrote:

2oldman wrote:

When the highway death toll drops to insignificant numbers, when tailgating and road rage are a thing of the past, when speeding doesn't exist, you will wish this happened sooner.


Not a chance. Some prefer the experience of driving. Not just a means of getting to point B. I will never be the market for that technology.



I would have said something quite similar to you prior to experiencing auto steer on farming equipment. Now I have a hard time having to manually steer the lawn mower.


I have no issues with technology eliminating me from doing work. But work is work. The necessary evil to have the toys to enjoy. One of which is driving.
Mich800 I to enjoy driving motorcycling boating UTV'S as well.

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Not even close. Give adaptive cruise and the other poopage a try on something like the DC or Baltimore beltway lol. Put blind faith in it. Just find a good collision guy beforehand and maybe carry some TP and wet wipes. Those systems making corrections 10 times a second can not anticipate the typical moron.


As I said, it's being implemented as it's ready. Right now adaptive cruise is ready for conditions of moderate traffic conditions.

Of course the safety aspect of rear-end collision avoidance still works in bad conditions.

And it's not like humans who get distracted for 10 seconds at a time do any better with typical morons.


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Posted: 01/22/20 11:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GDS-3950BH wrote:

Here's a scenario.......

Put about a dozen self driving cars on a highway somewhere in bumper to bumper moving traffic @ 60 mph, in a northeast snow squall, on the first Saturday of the month after the SS checks come in and all the BH's are heading out to the beautician and grocery store.

Now interject 3 or 4 part time workers from Burger King who are driving 1987 Chevy Cavaliers with worn out brakes and bald tires into the mix, who are late for work. [emoticon]


Now do the same test with human drivers doing 60mph in a snow squall.

I'll bet the self driving cars would fare much better.

Of course in reality, the system would force you to slow down as you are driving too fast for conditions. This is unlike the idiots who believe since they have a 4x4, they can continue to do 60mph in a white out.

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valhalla360 wrote:

GDS-3950BH wrote:

Here's a scenario.......

Put about a dozen self driving cars on a highway somewhere in bumper to bumper moving traffic @ 60 mph, in a northeast snow squall, on the first Saturday of the month after the SS checks come in and all the BH's are heading out to the beautician and grocery store.

Now interject 3 or 4 part time workers from Burger King who are driving 1987 Chevy Cavaliers with worn out brakes and bald tires into the mix, who are late for work. [emoticon]


Now do the same test with human drivers doing 60mph in a snow squall.

I'll bet the self driving cars would fare much better.

Of course in reality, the system would force you to slow down as you are driving too fast for conditions. This is unlike the idiots who believe since they have a 4x4, they can continue to do 60mph in a white out.
I may be wrong don't self driving cars use the lines on the highway for the guidance system? If the roads are covered with snow how would the system work?

If this is the case how would a self driving car handle the situation? Would it simply shut down in the middle of the highway without a way to drive the car manually?

* This post was edited 01/23/20 01:52am by colliehauler *

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Posted: 01/23/20 01:58am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Keep in mind this is about vehicle's without controls not about advances that I consider driving aids. This is about relinquishing complete control of the vehicle.

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Posted: 01/23/20 04:43am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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If this is the case how would a self driving car handle the situation? Would it simply shut down in the middle of the highway without a way to drive the car manually?


Most systems use multiple sources of information.

Of course, taking it to the level of not even having a steering wheel would presume, they have it to the point that they figured this out. The early self driving cars will likely retain the controls...this picture is a concept car showing how things could be different if you didn't need controls.

Of course, it wouldn't be hard to have a tablet interface with the car and become the controls. They have racing games out now where you simply tilt the tablet to steer. Something similar could be done but with controls sent to the car (with limits to ensure you don't hit objects the car can see and such).

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Posted: 01/23/20 04:46am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Interesting thought: A lot of weight and safety systems in cars is there because humans make lots of mistakes.

If we get to the point where crashes simply don't happen, can we eliminate these. This would reduce the cost of cars and because lots of safety stuff is stripped out, would it improve efficiency.

Obviously, it would need to be a couple generations into adoption, so human driven cars are essentially eliminated from the roadways.

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Here is my take. I like driving. If I want to pass another vehicle, or if I want to let another vehicle in. I want it to be my choice. If a truck comes over in my lane on the interstate. I want to be able to make the decision necessary to avoid it. If it be stopping, or changing lanes my self, or even hitting the medium.

I also do not spend time beside a 18 wheeler. I want the control to quickly get past one, or let it go. Too much can happen beside one, and the computer hasn't seen what I have. So I'll just stay in control.

Even when in cruise, I have the ability to be instantly in control. I like that. ..

However I can see many people liking this. Lots of people today can't drive anyway. They just ride and guide, more like passengers. They don't have a clue what to do when the situation demands they stop being a passenger, and instantly be a driver


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