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Leo Smith

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Posted: 02/29/20 08:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My wife and I currently own a Cougar TT that has served us well for weekend camping trips and week-long road trips. As we get closer to retirement, we are looking at fifth wheels for extended road trips. Looking ahead to our next RV (a fifth wheel) we have narrowed down our search to 3 brands: Montana, Arctic Fox, and Grand Design.

The Montana Dealer in our area has a good reputation (also the same dealer where we purchased our Cougar). The Arctic Fox dealer in our area has a stellar reputation. The Grand Design dealer in our area has a so-so reputation.

At the risk of starting the Ram/Ford/Chevy debate, I would appreciate the perspective of current owners of these three brands. Has the quality of Arctic Fox gone downhill with the passing of Ron Nash? Has the quality of Grand Design gone downhill since they have been acquired by Winnebago? Should I put the quality of the dealership ahead of the quality of the fifth wheel?

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No, from what I saw at this years Seattle RV show, if anything the 2020 AF's are better quality than they my 2018 was/is.
Although that grey interior is enough to make a person need to slam vitamin D.
I think there are other choices though (hope).


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We are looking at the GD Solitude 344GK, we have looked at this unit at a couple RV shows. Impressed with design, layout and quality. Arctic Fox would be my next choice. One of the little things I noticed in the Solitude level, NO Floor heat vents, all in walls or under cabinets. Our current unit has floor vents, and if metal they bend quickly, unless you buy the higher quality units. They still bend, but take longer.


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Don't worry about how good the dealer is, if you go full timing you won't see them again. I would put the Montana on the bottom of the list. Arctic Fox is decent but not the best on the market. Grand Design has a good reputation and is well liked by their owners. of the three that would be my choice.
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We are also considering moving to a 5th wheel soon.
At the last rv show in Hershey,Pa we compared the Grand Design Solitude and the Montana and also the Reflection and the Cougar.
All were the rear living floor plan.
We liked both Grand Design units alot more than the Montana or Cougar.
We thought the fit and finish was better and they just seemed to be put together better.


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We have a 2016 GD Solitude. It's never been back to the dealer. We use a mobile tech or independent rv repair shop. You have to get GD ok first. The support after the sale is one of the best. They even paid for work done on our trailer 2 yrs out of warranty.


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We have a 2017 Grand Design Reflection 27RL. It was great for the first year and then things really took a turn south.

Replaced Dometic AC after 13 months. Yup 1 month out of Dometic Warranty.

Replaced entry lock.

Entire frame is covered in surface rust almost as if painted with nothing. I'm waiting on a response now from Lippert.

Replaced circuit board on hot water tank.

Grand Designs response on all but door lock. Contact manufacture of component its not our problem. We don't offer a warranty on rust.

The last phone call with Grand Design the gentleman I spoke with basically called me a liar saying I never reported any of these issues. I told him that Grand Design should consider better quality components and he laughed.

Grand Design DOES NOT offer the same customer service as before being acquired by Winnebago. It is dramatically worse.

We may have got a lemon I don't know but I won't be singing the praises of Grand Design.

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“The last phone call with Grand Design the gentleman I spoke with basically called me a liar saying I never reported any of these issues.”

And then you mailed or emailed the gentleman copies of all your written issue reports, correct? To show the gentleman you weren’t lying?


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Personally, I put a LOT of importance on buying form a good dealer. That came in very handy with my AF. It had a severe issue (roof built wrong) and AF (under Nash) tried to give me a line of BS. My dealer of 40+ years wasn't having it and set them straight. Without a strong dealer, I'd have been in trouble.
Frankly, the problems I had with my TT make Daves issues look like a walk (camp?) in the park.
Probably will not ever buy another NW product.

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ScottG wrote:

Personally, I put a LOT of importance on buying form a good dealer. That came in very handy with my AF. It had a severe issue (roof built wrong) and AF (under Nash) tried to give me a line of BS. My dealer of 40+ years wasn't having it and set them straight. Without a strong dealer, I'd have been in trouble.
Frankly, the problems I had with my TT make Daves issues look like a walk (camp?) in the park.
Probably will not ever buy another NW product.

You post about the issues with your AF very often, and I can understand why. But how many thousands of them are built with no real issues.
I bought our AF from a dealer about 600 miles away. The biggest issue I had was the lack of care that went into mounting finish pieces. I know many here would have gone back to the dealer, but it was much easier for me to mount the things straight, or put in a couple more screws. Plus it got me looking at things when our 5er was new, and it convinced me that we made the correct choice. Between the tank sizes and the frame alone, you simply can not find anything built as well as a Northwood at their price point.

I would definitely by another Northwood product especially when compared to the other choices asked about.


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