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mellow

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Posted: 05/19/21 10:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Anyone saying the 350 is more of a truck than the 450 needs to get under both of them and see the major differences.

The widetrack front axle and beefier brakes alone are worth the upgrade to the 450 if you are carrying heavy loads.

Going by the numbers game is foolish.


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Posted: 05/20/21 06:09am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mellow wrote:

Anyone saying the 350 is more of a truck than the 450 needs to get under both of them and see the major differences.

The widetrack front axle and beefier brakes alone are worth the upgrade to the 450 if you are carrying heavy loads.

Going by the numbers game is foolish.

I didn't see where anyone says the F350 DRW is more of a truck.
Both can carry heavy loads its just that one is heavier gross weight which cuts into available payloads for work..... or play.
Thats why many serious haulers won't use or recommend a newer gen F450 pickup with the neutered 9000-9900 rawr . Granted the older F450 pickups had those big 11500 lb rawr worked great for those that used them for serious work..... and play.
Not going by the numbers game as you call it can be a folly for those that use these trucks for both.


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JIMNLIN wrote:

Thats why many serious haulers won't use or recommend a newer gen F450 pickup with the neutered 9000-9900 rawr . Granted the older F450 pickups had those big 11500 lb rawr worked great for those that used them for serious work..... and play.


Like I noted in my response to your previous post when I referred to p 52 in the document you referred to, you are wrong about the actual rear strength in the newer models. For what it’s worth, even when the F450 had a different Dana model, it wasn’t rated higher than 9900 and that goes for my year that has a 14500 GVWR.

Clearly the F450 axle is larger diameter, more splines with bigger brakes. You seem to be hung up on the Dana model number without reading that there are different axles in the F450 compared to the F350. We can speculate about why the F350 and F450 are rated so closely by Ford, but that doesn’t mean that the F450 isn’t more capable.

Like I said though, there are disadvantages to go with the added strength and capability of the F450, but it is more capable.


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JIMNLIN wrote:

I didn't see where anyone says the F350 DRW is more of a truck.


It was said clearly in the post before mine. And you are correct if we are talking commercial, but this isn't a commercial trucking forum and we are hauling Truck Campers not paid for loads.

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Posted: 05/20/21 08:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here’s my speculation:

In a high level meeting of Ford executives, probably in 2009 or so, the executive responsible for the medium duty truck line (who’s annual bonus is directly tied to the # of units sold) went nose to nose with the executive responsible for the light truck line (whose annual bonus is directly tied to the number of units sold), and screamed in his/her face “WTH are you doing to me! Your F450 pickup is stealing sales from my F450 cab and chassis trucks! My bonus just got cut again, and I’ve got mansion payments, boat payments, condo payments, college tuition, and hair salon payments to make!”

After the 2010 model year, the F450 pickup never again had a GVWR higher than 14K.

THAT’S why it’s 14K.

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NRALIFR wrote:

Here’s my speculation:

In a high level meeting of Ford executives, probably in 2009 or so, the executive responsible for the medium duty truck line (who’s annual bonus is directly tied to the # of units sold) went nose to nose with the executive responsible for the light truck line (whose annual bonus is directly tied to the number of units sold), and screamed in his/her face “WTH are you doing to me! Your F450 pickup is stealing sales from my F450 cab and chassis trucks! My bonus just got cut again, and I’ve got mansion payments, boat payments, condo payments, college tuition, and hair salon payments to make!”

After the 2010 model year, the F450 pickup never again had a GVWR higher than 14K.

THAT’S why it’s 14K.

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I agree with your premises with one exception....

...you forgot "mistress payments."

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Like I noted in my response to your previous post when I referred to p 52 in the document you referred to, you are wrong about the actual rear strength in the newer models.

Hmm.....my replies have been pointed more to available payloads for the OP which is controlled by rear axle suspensions which both trucks have the same RAWR numbers...same Dana 300 M series that for several years have been 9000 up to current 9900 rwar.
Now for actual strength more splines and larger axle shaft diameters can help but axle splines and shaft diameters don't carry weight on a full floater rear axle.

Now if were talking about the older F450 pickups when Ford gave them a 11500 RAWR then of course those model years the F450 had much more payload capabilities.

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Posted: 05/20/21 01:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mellow wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

I didn't see where anyone says the F350 DRW is more of a truck.


It was said clearly in the post before mine. And you are correct if we are talking commercial, but this isn't a commercial trucking forum and we are hauling Truck Campers not paid for loads.

Got news for ya'. Commercial or hauling a camper or a load of feed from a mill.... the same trucks come under the same axle/tire load restrictions.

The poster above you didn't say the F350 DRW is more of a truck. What he said was Quote;
"BTW - that 2016 F450 had less payload than the F350."

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Posted: 05/20/21 03:07pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Is this the number we're talking about?

Chev 4500 Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating (Lbs.) 10,000/11,000/15,500

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Yes. Many trucks have stickers like these.

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