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rjstractor

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Posted: 05/17/22 07:39pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Krusty wrote:

The Transit is now available with all-wheel drive if traction is an issue. That Wagoneer looks like it may be a good choice too


The Transit is not an option for any real towing, with the max tow rating for a passenger van at under 5000 lbs. It's too bad, what with factory AWD available and pretty good payload. It's good to see that Stellantis or whatever they are calling themselves this week finally has a full size SUV to compete with Ford and GM, but on paper the Wagoneer is no more capable in terms of GVWR or GCWR.

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BCSnob wrote:

I think the OP needs to decide which is of greater importance to them, owning an SUV or traveling with 6 adults plus 4 (or more) grandchildren in the same vehicle. Until someone identifies a 10 passenger SUV, the two are mutually exclusive.


How about an “out of the box” idea?
I know someone who uses a minibus to tow their TT to events. This one should have no issues pulling the OPs TT and transport 6 adults and 4+ grandchildren.

Ford F-550 Super Duty 4x4 DRW 14 Passenger Minibus

“Grandpa’s Party Bus”


No pickup, SUV or van should be towing a TT with 10 bodies in the TV. The bus suggestion makes sense. OR TWO or THREE VEHICLES on each trip!


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$20 says the OP won't be asking for advice here anymore...
I wouldn't.


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Grit dog wrote:

Well, the experts have spoken. OP should be thrilled with a big ole 22' long 15 passenger van with 7' of overhang past the rear axle.
Sounds like the perfect luxury hauler!

The ONLY vans I know that have 7' of rear overhang, that are 22' long are made by a company named Ford! GM, Dodge, MB ALL have 15 passenger vans with a 155+- WB. Overhang is around 4-5' ie typical pickup amount.

Most have front and rear AC assuming passenger models. Cargo front only.

As noted, much roomier than SUVs, crew cab pickups. Today's models vs 20 yrs ago don't generally speaking have the same power as pickups. From a chassis standpoint, pretty much on par to pickups, assuming the same gvwr, axle rating etc.

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Have a 1996 8.6K GVWR, K3500, 7.4L Suburban, but wanted a full sized 4x4 van, which wasn’t available back then…so settled for the 8 seat Suburban. Only half ton Suburbans are available to day, except for the armored 1 ton version, but only for VIP’s and the President and it’s tow rating is something like 3K

Today, if I was you, I’d get a 2022 GM/GMC full sized van, with 12 seating, 2.8L/4 cylinder Turbo Duramax, 8 speed, 31 gallon fuel tank, 9.9K GVWR & 15K GCWR. Rear wheel drive only. Gasser would be the 6.6L V8

You can take out a row of seats if not needed and that would increase cargo capacity and/or towing capacity


Link to GM/GMC site with specs. Listed at $42K MSRP base model
https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passeng........mensions&styleOne=423009&styleTwo=423021
IPad based post won’t allow clicks, so here are the raw links = https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passenger/build-and-price/features/trims/select/1?section=Highlights§ion=Mechanical&styleOne=423009

https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passenger/build-and-price/features/trims/table?section=Highlights§ion=Mechanical§ion=Dimensions&styleOne=423009&styleTwo=423021

The only potential issue would be GCWR if you load up both the TV & trailer, but that is something you can manage, which will take several trips to the scales


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Grit dog wrote:

Well, the experts have spoken. OP should be thrilled with a big ole 22' long 15 passenger van with 7' of overhang past the rear axle.
Sounds like the perfect luxury hauler!

Wasn’t a crew cab short box one of the vehicles you recommended? The express extended van is a whopping 5” longer than the Silverado crew cab short box.

Marty, our cargo van was ordered with rear heat/AC.

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Little late now, but if I had the same criteria as the OP I would have opted for a MH and an SUV dinghy.


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valhalla360 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:


You called?
It's fun to see the "you can't haul 4 fat people without exceeding the payload" comments which are (and I use this word cautiously) NEVER backed up by actual reasons why it's a bad idea. Just general supposition.
Just "because that's what the sticker says". Do you ever wonder how the rest of the world survives every day doing work with their half ton trucks? Or is your view so myopic that you literally have trouble even seeing your rear view mirrors?


Yep, the salesman telling you that you can pull what he's trying to sell, surely knows better than the engineer setting the ratings. [emoticon]

Fact is most pickups never do any heavy hauling or towing...the proverbial grocery getter. That's how they survive.

If you are over by 100lbs, will the axle instantly snap in half...probably not but it's not a good situation.


Also, WORK is different than towing a camper.

You don't put 3000lbs in the back of a 1/2 ton truck and set out on a 500 mile trip. You drive across town. You don't hitch up to a flatbed trailer loaded with a mini excavator that weighs 12,000lbs and set out on a 500 mile trip. You drive across town.

Half ton trucks will do a LOT of WORK when you don't need to go faster than 35MPH. You'll be smashing your head into the steering wheel after about 2 hours trying to go on a camping trip of any distance limited to 35MPH.


Putting 10-ply tires on half ton trucks since aught-four.

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mkirsch wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:


You called?
It's fun to see the "you can't haul 4 fat people without exceeding the payload" comments which are (and I use this word cautiously) NEVER backed up by actual reasons why it's a bad idea. Just general supposition.
Just "because that's what the sticker says". Do you ever wonder how the rest of the world survives every day doing work with their half ton trucks? Or is your view so myopic that you literally have trouble even seeing your rear view mirrors?


Yep, the salesman telling you that you can pull what he's trying to sell, surely knows better than the engineer setting the ratings. [emoticon]

Fact is most pickups never do any heavy hauling or towing...the proverbial grocery getter. That's how they survive.

If you are over by 100lbs, will the axle instantly snap in half...probably not but it's not a good situation.


Also, WORK is different than towing a camper.

You don't put 3000lbs in the back of a 1/2 ton truck and set out on a 500 mile trip. You drive across town. You don't hitch up to a flatbed trailer loaded with a mini excavator that weighs 12,000lbs and set out on a 500 mile trip. You drive across town.

Half ton trucks will do a LOT of WORK when you don't need to go faster than 35MPH. You'll be smashing your head into the steering wheel after about 2 hours trying to go on a camping trip of any distance limited to 35MPH.


All I can say is that you’re quite uninformed about the industry that builds our nation’s infrastructure.
Either that or I’m dreaming when I’m heading over a mountain pass at 4am loaded for whatever that day will bring, with another 250 miles of windshield time in front of me. Lol.

I don’t think so, though, and probably the other guys I pass who are doing the same thing would disagree with you as well.

You can also note that I never advocate severely overloading although I’ve been known to do it a couple or maybe a couple thousand times. I am providing context that if a truck rated for ____ is actually hauling or towing 1.5x _____, it doesn’t break and it does brake!

And what you also conveniently forgot is that after hearing the whole story from the OP, I actually strongly reccomended against his initial thought of a short wheel base soccer mom rig for the uses he asked about.

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Besides , I thought the collective majority here was beyond that and firmly onto how perfect a 1 ton passenger van is for the application.

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