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Grit dog

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Posted: 05/18/22 11:36pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

bgum wrote:

I would advise against what you propose. You have no sway control and exceed the hitch capacity. If you do get in an accident your insurance could deny any claim on your behalf. Others attorneys would have a field day in court.
Get your ducks in a row and do it right.

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bgum wrote:

Burman
I noticed that you didn't dispute that lawyers will have a field day.
Also show us all one case where it was debunked.

No shame on you for encouraging someone to do something that is contrary to safe towing practices.


Gettin deep in here….now can’t pull a 5k trailer with a new half ton? ROFL

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GrandpaKip wrote:

I have same truck, same type trailer.
I wouldn’t take a drive without WDH.
I use an Andersen hitch, absolutely perfect drive.
Can you do it? Sure. Will you make it home? More than likely. I see people doing stupid stuff with trailers all the time.
Me? I’m careful and try to eliminate stupidity from my life because I like my life.


More than likely? Yup, I’d say…I mean unless the truck breaks down or gets carried away by a tornado or something else totally unrelated to the trailer…

You folks will probably keep the OP up at night with your overtly false/paranoid/ false statements.

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Johnsonty131 wrote:

So once I get a weight distribution hitch it shouldn’t be any problem correct?


I wouldn’t expect any problem before you get one either.
Seriously look past all the bs responses here and think about the 1000s of big trailers. Bigger than that that get hauled around all day every day with 1/2 ton trucks and no wdh.
Literally wdhs are about 99% a RVer thing. Yes some travel trailers pull poorly from a sway standpoint due to axle placement, rear overhang, designed heavy in the rear or not enough tongue weight, although it’s not common.
For a hitch, if you are just getting something to get you by, just get a minimum class 3 stinger and the right size ball. Either figure out the hitch height and the amount of drop (rise actually) that you need, or get something with about a 3” rise. Should be close.

Congrats on the new camper! And don’t sweat it. Enjoy the drive!
And don’t listen to the paranoid folks.

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I'm not seeing a trailer hitch mentioned but if there is one I would certainly tow that trailer home without WDH. Getting it on that 2 5/6 ball mentioned by the OP will be a problem. [emoticon]


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bgum wrote:

If you do get in an accident your insurance could deny any claim on your behalf. Others attorneys would have a field day in court.


I can't believe this old myth still persists.

I worked in insurance claims for years and this never ever ever ever happened in my office. Never.

Insurance is specifically for stupidity and negligence. If insurance didn't pay out claims for negligence, they would never pay out a claim. You're negligent when you run a red light or make an unsafe lane change. You're negligent when you overload the bed of your pickup truck with pallets of bricks and you roll the truck. The list of stupid stuff is infinite.

Claims reps and adjusters look for fraud (first-party claims) and negligence/blame where a third-party is involved so that responsibility can be assigned. They haggle with body shops over parts prices and labor hours. They haggle with rental car companies over the number of days they'll pay for the rental. They haggle with their policy holders over the value of a total loss (worst part of the job). They look closely at fire claims because of the high incidence of fraud. But they don't give a rip about tow ratings.

Underwriters look for patterns of negligence so they can either raise the premiums on risky drivers or tag them for non-renewal if they're bad enough.

Neither of these roles involve looking at tow ratings.

As far as third-party attorneys go (somebody else suing you)... They'll look for any reason to run up the bills. If your claim involved you towing overweight, the injured party's attorney might use this as a point to try to sway a jury (if your insurance doesn't settle and lets it go to trial). All of this is irrelevant to you though, because your liability adjuster is going to defend you in court and pay out if it's your fault. It doesn't matter to you how much they pay out, as long as it's covered by your policy limits.

Your biggest risk isn't your tow ratings, it's your liability coverage amount. With property values skyrocketing, make sure your limits are high enough to cover the value of your house and assets. If you have strong assets, work with your agent to figure out the right amount of liability coverage and add an umbrella policy.

And don't listen to people perpetuating the myths. For that matter, don't even listen to me. Read your policy and see what's covered and what's excluded. Talk to your agent. The more you educate yourself, the easier it will be to spot the urban legends like bgum's above.

Remember: The sky is NOT falling.


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Good info from dedmiston!!...I think some members throw out the legal BS, to scare members asking about weight/towing issues! It is to make the person asking, for guidance, take their advice.

The OP may not know what a "stinger" is, and was asking for a picture.

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OP can use similar, for temporary use to get his trailer home. For best result get the draw bar that keeps your trailer level to slightly lower in the front. Also make sure the hole in drawbar will accept the shank of a 2 5/16" ball.

Don't forget JIMNLIN's advice to air rear truck tires to psi max indicated on sidewall.

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A few things:
- Taking an empty trailer home...this would be the one time you can look at the empty weight and empty hitch weight. Still might be a bit higher in reality but probably not by a huge amount.
- This is different from loading it up for a trip when you should start with the GVWR and assume 15% is on the hitch (at least until you can swing by a CAT scale and get the real numbers).

Where are you towing (Texas is a big state)?
- A sunny day with minimal wind/no rain or snow on level rural lightly traveled roads, take it easy and should be fine.
- Busy twisty turny mountain roads during a windy rain storm...I would be a lot more hesitant.

Assuming it's just to get the empty trailer home and no wind, traffic, mountain road issues, I would probably do it. Just take it easy. Plan on 3 hours, so you don't feel pressured if you need to stop or go slower.


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Let's get to the original question: can his truck pull said trailer with just a ball?
YES

Now should he:
In my opinion NO

He has stated no compelling reason for not having the proper equipment and why it must be done today.

Now let the bs continue.

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Can it?
Yes.
Tongue weight is low, if the trailer is new you may want to ensure they fill your propane tanks, and put two batteries on the tongue to help a little, if its a new trailer they should include those but anymore, some probably want to upcharge that as setup.
Keep your speeds low until you have a good feel for how it is handling. The trailer will let you know usually somewhere around 50 if it's going to get squirrelly, if so, take a scenic route.
Jayco's tend to have a pretty loyal following and do offer a little better warranty than many, so you may consider that as some indication of their belief in their own product.

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