โFeb-11-2022 04:24 PM
โFeb-21-2022 06:00 PM
Thermoguy wrote:
OK - for all you EV haters try this:
GMC Sierra 2500 - all electric (prototype)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWm_LZ0GYs
The key to this report - they know what it takes to have uninterrupted power under heavy load for long hauls.... This is about EV motors, but battery technology is also keeping up with this need.
โFeb-21-2022 08:37 AM
โFeb-21-2022 05:38 AM
โFeb-20-2022 11:11 AM
โFeb-20-2022 07:23 AM
Grit dog wrote:
And I'm saying, the cost of bigger wire is a drop in the bucket compared to the total cost of major infrastructure upgrades to a campground. Had to upgrade that job above I was talking about from 10 ga to 8ga on the service legs. "Only" cost $3k in wire. And there's only enough wire on that job for about 2 custom homes.
Do you recall the recent thread on here about a new campground? 75 site or 175 site, or whatever it was, with a $10M price tag.
How much of that do you think was electrical infrastructure? I'd take a rough guess at 20% +.
I mean, how much can it cost to do some grading work and run some dump trucks around? (Same mentality you were using, but I'm sure you can relate as a dump truck driver)
So $2M to wire and fire up a new campground. Rebuilding existing infrastructure is never or almost never cheaper than new construction.
โFeb-19-2022 06:29 PM
Thermoguy wrote:dodge guy wrote:Thermoguy wrote:
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK AN EV HAS TO BE PLUGGED IN EVERY TIME IT STOPS?
I don't fill my tank every time I stop. I have a gauge and it tells me about how far I can go. An EV has a much more accurate gauge. If you use 50% of your battery to get to the site, maybe plugging in for a few hours or overnight to a standard outlet is all you need to get home. Maybe you don't need to plug in at all, maybe there is a quick charge 10-20 miles away, similar to a gas station. The benefit to a campground is many already have electrical service to camp sites. My trailer can go a couple days without plugging in. So, if I had an EV, maybe I plug it in overnight and live life on the boondocking edge with only my batteries...
I feel like everyone here forgets having trucks built in the 70's. Small gas tanks, poor gas mileage. Both of the 70 era trucks I had couldn't drive by a gas station without getting gas. Forget pulling a trailer, this was just the truck by itself. Add a trailer, 8-10 miles to the gallon or less and a small tank. My dually had 2 tanks, but that was special. The truck before that, same engine, but only 1 tank. Driving across state is what put all those small gas stations in little towns in business and thriving. The EV curve is the same, initially they need more ways to charge, but eventually they will have ranges similar or further than an ICE, but as I said 5 pages ago you can charge an EV at home, you can't fill up your ICE at home...
So your OK running the battery down to 10% and then waiting 2 hours for a full charge only to drive another 150 miles to do it all over again? I hope you are patient! We are talking towing here.
You can't compare the Rivian with their small battery to every EV tow vehicle coming to the market. We are not far off from 1 ton EV's with ranges beyond 500 miles towing. There are 2 companies on the market that are preparing dually based 1 ton EV trucks with capacities beyond the current Diesel models. So, for those of you in the go big or go home camp, it is coming - and range anxiety won't exist.
Just to be upfront, I do not own an EV and I am not in the market. If I was in the market for a new truck it would be a 1 ton dually diesel. I think EV's will be here sooner than most think and the missing link is the infrastructure. That is being fixed with government grants and such. The manufacturers including the big 3 are all working on very capable EV trucks with the F150, Silverado and Ram. These trucks will be out there on the street and in your campground in the next couple years. They won't be pulling monster trailers, but they will be there and sometimes might need a recharge, sometimes they wont.
I do work in the transportation industry and I can tell you electric buses, delivery vehicles, heavy haul trucks, taxis and more are coming to the EV stage (many are already here). The needs of these people are beyond what any of us need for our RV pleasure. They will pave the way and these companies will remove the range anxiety so that all of these anti EV comments wont mean anything. If you could take your current truck and have it reliably drive 1 million miles without having to change oil, rebuild engines, etc, would it be attractive? I know, what about replacing the batteries, that's currently a heavy cost, but so is replacing your engine. I think they are on the same stage with regards to miles traveled, I think batteries last longer than the average engine. But, battery technology is improving at a faster rate than engines, just look at your cell phone and how a new phone can go days without a charge vs an old one charging once a day or more.
โFeb-19-2022 04:54 PM
Thermoguy wrote:
OK - for all you EV haters try this:
GMC Sierra 2500 - all electric (prototype)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBWm_LZ0GYs
The key to this report - they know what it takes to have uninterrupted power under heavy load for long hauls.... This is about EV motors, but battery technology is also keeping up with this need.
โFeb-19-2022 01:53 PM
โFeb-19-2022 08:12 AM
dodge guy wrote:Thermoguy wrote:
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK AN EV HAS TO BE PLUGGED IN EVERY TIME IT STOPS?
I don't fill my tank every time I stop. I have a gauge and it tells me about how far I can go. An EV has a much more accurate gauge. If you use 50% of your battery to get to the site, maybe plugging in for a few hours or overnight to a standard outlet is all you need to get home. Maybe you don't need to plug in at all, maybe there is a quick charge 10-20 miles away, similar to a gas station. The benefit to a campground is many already have electrical service to camp sites. My trailer can go a couple days without plugging in. So, if I had an EV, maybe I plug it in overnight and live life on the boondocking edge with only my batteries...
I feel like everyone here forgets having trucks built in the 70's. Small gas tanks, poor gas mileage. Both of the 70 era trucks I had couldn't drive by a gas station without getting gas. Forget pulling a trailer, this was just the truck by itself. Add a trailer, 8-10 miles to the gallon or less and a small tank. My dually had 2 tanks, but that was special. The truck before that, same engine, but only 1 tank. Driving across state is what put all those small gas stations in little towns in business and thriving. The EV curve is the same, initially they need more ways to charge, but eventually they will have ranges similar or further than an ICE, but as I said 5 pages ago you can charge an EV at home, you can't fill up your ICE at home...
So your OK running the battery down to 10% and then waiting 2 hours for a full charge only to drive another 150 miles to do it all over again? I hope you are patient! We are talking towing here.
โFeb-18-2022 11:11 AM
Reisender wrote:
Ahh I see what you are saying. I would think most EVers would choose other places to charge than an RV park unless they are staying there though.
Re summer use. Yah for sure. Because of course the RV air conditioners would also be on. I guess the other side of that is If someone checks in for 4 days they would probably only be charging the first day though.
โFeb-18-2022 02:36 AM
valhalla360 wrote:Reisender wrote:
They are already kinda promoting them. But why would they discourage use? Wouldnโt that just turn away revenue?
If a stray person finds them, sure but actively promoting costs money and since you indicated they aren't high speed, they aren't likely to pick up people driving by...plus most campgrounds are in more isolated areas.
But large scale use, particularly mid summer means they may be looking at power problems unless they can get the govt to pay for massive overbuilding of the system.
โFeb-17-2022 08:25 PM
valhalla360 wrote:Reisender wrote:
They are already kinda promoting them. But why would they discourage use? Wouldnโt that just turn away revenue?
If a stray person finds them, sure but actively promoting costs money and since you indicated they aren't high speed, they aren't likely to pick up people driving by...plus most campgrounds are in more isolated areas.
But large scale use, particularly mid summer means they may be looking at power problems unless they can get the govt to pay for massive overbuilding of the system.
โFeb-17-2022 08:04 PM
Thermoguy wrote:
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK AN EV HAS TO BE PLUGGED IN EVERY TIME IT STOPS?
โFeb-17-2022 08:03 PM
Reisender wrote:
They are already kinda promoting them. But why would they discourage use? Wouldnโt that just turn away revenue?