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โFeb-18-2020 09:46 AM
ShinerBock wrote:4x4ord wrote:
It would be interesting to see the brake specific fuel consumption graphs for these engines. You'd expect the transmissions to shift according to fuel usage.At 1800 rpm these engines can produce over double the power that is needed to tow a typical 5ver down the highway. I'm surprised lower rpm wouldn't save a little fuel. A general rule is that higher cylinder pressure produces greater efficiency. If you're running higher rpm than is needed the engine is operating at a lower cylinder pressure than it could be.
On flat ground under low load the fuel economy is better in 6th, but on hilly roads, a lot of wind resistance, or in other situations that put more load on the engine it is is not in my experiences. In 6th and under higher loads, it feels like the engine has to add more fuel/air to compensate for the lack of torque from a taller gear ratio and the lack of horsepower from being at a lower rpm. In 5th, it feels like it does not have to add that much fuel(fuel pressure is lower) and boost to do the same work. There is less load on the engine in 5th even though it is at a higher rpm. There is also the factor that EGT's are lower by about 200F as well.
โFeb-18-2020 08:12 AM
ShinerBock wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I would bet that you would not want to start off in second gear."
Did you notice I said "start in second while unloaded" ?
Yes I noticed that and as I stated you would probably not care about that in the 68RFE because it has a taller first gear. Loaded, the Aisin is better at take off.
โFeb-18-2020 07:41 AM
4x4ord wrote:
It would be interesting to see the brake specific fuel consumption graphs for these engines. You'd expect the transmissions to shift according to fuel usage.At 1800 rpm these engines can produce over double the power that is needed to tow a typical 5ver down the highway. I'm surprised lower rpm wouldn't save a little fuel. A general rule is that higher cylinder pressure produces greater efficiency. If you're running higher rpm than is needed the engine is operating at a lower cylinder pressure than it could be.
โFeb-18-2020 07:24 AM
ShinerBock wrote:4x4ord wrote:
So I guess by locking out 6th and running 1800 rpm you gain a little responsiveness and have less gear hunting but it's going to cost something on fuel.
Not exactly. I have tested it out multiple times towing my RV 160 miles down to the coast and other trailer like my cattle trailer. I did it 6th a few times and then in 5th. I averaged about 1-2 mpg better towing in 5th than I did 6th. I noticed on my gauges that the engine did not have to add as much fuel/air to make torque/power in 5th like it had to in 6th when going up hills.
We also noticed the same when I worked for Cummins. The "sweet spot" for the engines best efficiency was not static and changed depending on load. Unloaded it was between 1,300 and 1,500 rpm and loaded it was between 1,800 and 2,100 rpm depending on load. This is why Cummins' PowerSpec application recommends these rpms when loaded for best efficiency out of the Cummins.
Cummins PowerSpec
โFeb-18-2020 05:57 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I should have reworded that bnecause you can't actually shift manually in a Ram"
Am I missing something? I can shift mine with the toggle on the shift column.
โFeb-18-2020 05:54 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I would bet that you would not want to start off in second gear."
Did you notice I said "start in second while unloaded" ?
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โFeb-18-2020 05:44 AM
4x4ord wrote:
So I guess by locking out 6th and running 1800 rpm you gain a little responsiveness and have less gear hunting but it's going to cost something on fuel.
โFeb-18-2020 05:33 AM
โFeb-18-2020 05:04 AM
4x4ord wrote:ShinerBock wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I think the 3.42 rear end on the GM might have had an effect on mpg here especially if they let the truck do all the shifting."
But But, I thought the magical 10 speed was supposed to keep the engine in the perfect rpm???
This is not due to it being a 10-speed but rather the trans tuning. Shifting manually or having a shorter final gear would alleviate this. To be fair, I had to do the same in my 68RFE when it had stock trans tuning and so do my friends and family who have Aisin's so Ram's stock trans tuning is not perfect either.
When do you manually shift a transmission with stock tuning? What are you trying to accomplish by manually shifting?
โFeb-18-2020 04:58 AM
ShinerBock wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I think the 3.42 rear end on the GM might have had an effect on mpg here especially if they let the truck do all the shifting."
But But, I thought the magical 10 speed was supposed to keep the engine in the perfect rpm???
This is not due to it being a 10-speed but rather the trans tuning. Shifting manually or having a shorter final gear would alleviate this. To be fair, I had to do the same in my 68RFE when it had stock trans tuning and so do my friends and family who have Aisin's so Ram's stock trans tuning is not perfect either.
โFeb-18-2020 04:45 AM