I just cant get with this program...

[Targa]

Click. This motor just doesn't belong in this truck. Anyway, as much as I would like Chrysler not to be a foriegn company I do think Fiat is doing a good job. I understand why they would go with the Motori diesel but I certainly would have loved to see this motor in the 1/2 ton Ram, heck I would have loved to see this motor as a cheaper alternative in the HD Rams. As far as the Titan goes, it looks pretty good IMO.

[brulaz]

Tystevens wrote:

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I don't 'need' 400/800 for any trailer we are likely to buy. But the Ecodiesel and Ecoboost, nice packages though they may be, aren't *quite* enough for the family sized trailers. And I do use my truck as a daily driver, so I'd like at least reasonable fuel economy when not towing. So I can see a niche for this truck, as long as the numbers match up.

Hmmmm, the 3.5L EcoB in a HD Payload F150 would be a close competitor to the 5L Nissan Cummins and probably a lot cheaper. We'll have to see when the final figures come out.

Anyway, those are the two we'll be looking at closely when we start looking for a new truck.

And by the way, MotorTrend/TruckTrend just put out a quick review of the Nissan Cummins. They talk about the

rear 10.5-inch live axle, which is the same unit as in the Ram Power Wagon

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/news/2015/1501_hands_on_2016_nissan_titan_xd/

[AH64ID]

john&bet wrote:

AH64ID wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?

ISV 5.0

They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I guess you do not realize where I live, but that is ok.

If you have some additional info please share it.

Right now all that is out there is ..... not much 🙂

From the Cummins press releases it is impossible to tell which was the initial design engine, LD or MD or simultaneous.

[john_bet]

AH64ID wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?

ISV 5.0

They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? I guess you do not realize where I live, but that is ok.

[rjstractor]

AH64ID wrote:
They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?

I don't. However, I'd hazard a guess that they are actually the same basic engine, just like the B series in both the Ram pickups and medium duty applications are the same basic engine. With both engines the MD applications have lower horsepower and torque ratings to achieve better longevity ratings. The ISB in a medium duty application has a max hp/torque of 325/750, considerably less than the light duty pickup application. The same appears to be true for the ISV.

[AH64ID]

rjstractor wrote:

john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?

ISV 5.0

They are both brand new engines. How do you know the MD ISV isn't a modified version of the engine developed for LD use?

[Tystevens]

IdaD wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

IdaD wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?

What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.

The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.

It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.

I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.

It could be the greatest engine ever. That's not the point.

The point is that is an engine that could run toe-to-toe with the Cumminses, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes of just a few years ago. It is a heavy engine capable of moving a 13-ton rig down the road with prejudice, in a lightweight truck chassis capable of handling about half that. Taking up precious payload capacity. Burning unnecessary amounts of fuel. Good if you're looking for a hot rod. Bad if you're looking to actually use the truck for something.

We have no idea how lightweight the chassis is - it's supposedly a heavier frame than the regular half ton Titan, with associated heavier axles, transmission, transfer case, etc. At least that's what Nissan is saying. I guess we'll find out when the GVWR comes out.

I'm sure this is a truck that many 3/4 or 1 ton owners are going to snicker at but there's no question in my mind that it fills a niche for buyers who want diesel truck in between the capabilities of a Ram 1500 with 1400 or whatever pounds of payload capacity and a Ram 2500 with 800 foot pounds of torque and a 17,000 lb tow rating. I read somewhere that the average heavy duty truck owner tows around 9,000 lbs, which makes sense to me regardless of what the ratings say, that's a lot of trailer for a regular half ton to be pulling. For that type of trailer, this Nissan might make a lot of sense (especially for those of us living in the west dealing with elevation and mountains).

Frankly I'd love to see this engine in a Ram 2500 as well. Then you could get the full three quarter ton package at a lower cost with likely better fuel economy. This engine actually has more HP and torque than my dad's 2000 7.3 PSD, so I don't think it would feel under powered in a 2500.

I agree. If they put it in a chassis that is aimed at towing 9-11k trailers and enough payload for a light or mid-sized 5'er, and still capable of low 20 mpg highway ratings (unloaded, of course), it would fit nicely between the 1/2 tons and the monster powered 3/4 ton diesels.

I don't 'need' 400/800 for any trailer we are likely to buy. But the Ecodiesel and Ecoboost, nice packages though they may be, aren't *quite* enough for the family sized trailers. And I do use my truck as a daily driver, so I'd like at least reasonable fuel economy when not towing. So I can see a niche for this truck, as long as the numbers match up.

[IdaD]

mkirsch wrote:

IdaD wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?

What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.

The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.

It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.

I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.

It could be the greatest engine ever. That's not the point.

The point is that is an engine that could run toe-to-toe with the Cumminses, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes of just a few years ago. It is a heavy engine capable of moving a 13-ton rig down the road with prejudice, in a lightweight truck chassis capable of handling about half that. Taking up precious payload capacity. Burning unnecessary amounts of fuel. Good if you're looking for a hot rod. Bad if you're looking to actually use the truck for something.

We have no idea how lightweight the chassis is - it's supposedly a heavier frame than the regular half ton Titan, with associated heavier axles, transmission, transfer case, etc. At least that's what Nissan is saying. I guess we'll find out when the GVWR comes out.

I'm sure this is a truck that many 3/4 or 1 ton owners are going to snicker at but there's no question in my mind that it fills a niche for buyers who want diesel truck in between the capabilities of a Ram 1500 with 1400 or whatever pounds of payload capacity and a Ram 2500 with 800 foot pounds of torque and a 17,000 lb tow rating. I read somewhere that the average heavy duty truck owner tows around 9,000 lbs, which makes sense to me regardless of what the ratings say, that's a lot of trailer for a regular half ton to be pulling. For that type of trailer, this Nissan might make a lot of sense (especially for those of us living in the west dealing with elevation and mountains).

Frankly I'd love to see this engine in a Ram 2500 as well. Then you could get the full three quarter ton package at a lower cost with likely better fuel economy. This engine actually has more HP and torque than my dad's 2000 7.3 PSD, so I don't think it would feel under powered in a 2500.

[mkirsch]

IdaD wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?

What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.

The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.

It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.

I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.

It could be the greatest engine ever. That's not the point.

The point is that is an engine that could run toe-to-toe with the Cumminses, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes of just a few years ago. It is a heavy engine capable of moving a 13-ton rig down the road with prejudice, in a lightweight truck chassis capable of handling about half that. Taking up precious payload capacity. Burning unnecessary amounts of fuel. Good if you're looking for a hot rod. Bad if you're looking to actually use the truck for something.

[rjstractor]

john&bet wrote:
And which engine is it a modification of?

ISV 5.0

[john_bet]

IdaD wrote:

mkirsch wrote:
A 5.0L Cummins? A V8 no less?

What's the point? It's not that much smaller than the venerable 5.9L. Probably weighs just as much.

The Fiat diesel in the 1500 Rams is a much better match for that size/capacity truck.

It's a modified version of one of their medium duty commercial engines, so it isn't an all new design. It could prove to be a really great motor. In fact I'd be real interested in seeing it in a Ram 2500.

I've had very good personal experiences with Nissan over the years. They went through a bit of a quality swoon for a while but seem to be back in good shape again. My guess is this Titan XD will suddenly make the Titan relevant again.

And which engine is it a modification of?

[Scooter86]

I am still digging on this new Titan. There is a niche where for a truck that is more capable/heavier than a 1/2 ton, yet doesn't need the overkill of the current big 3 diesel offerings. I would bet there are a lot more rvs, boats, etc under 10k than over. The big 3 diesel offerings are great, but have gotten to be overkill for many applications. This 5.0 truck looks to be sized perfectly for a lot of people.

[Cummins12V98]

Looks like a knock off of the LongHorn interior.

[RobertRyan]

jmtandem wrote:

Would you buy the Ram if it had the v8 cummins? They are a foreign company. Would you buy the Nissan if Ford purchased the company? I know it has been stated before. But pretty much all the auto manufacturers are public corporations. You can put as many American dollars as you want into their stock and buy something from a company YOU own not a foreign entity.

Nissan makes the Titans in Mississippi. Cummins is in Indiana. Yea, they get parts from everywhere because this is a global economy. I also like to patronize American companies and I know that foreign companies build products in America and American companies build products in other countries.

I am sure Fiat is thrilled to get their diesel in an American truck. We are just beginning to understand as consumers what Europe and many places in the rest of the world knows all too well. That small diesels can do lots of work on little fuel and are reliable. They are bringing that to America where our combined fleet fuel economy average is important to our government. VW has understood this since the diesel Rabbit back in 1975 with TDI refinements over the years.

Yes the small, midsize and extremely large European diesels are very very impressive. We used to have Petrol early model F350's built in Australia, but those days are long gone

[sky_free]

I think I want one just for the red engine. Reminds me of the IH tractors I grew up with.