The TFL guys bought a 7.3L

[ib516]

They bought a new project truck, a 2020 F250 XLT with the 7.3L Gas engine, a 3.55 locking rear, and the new 10 speed auto.

Should be a great series of videos!
VIDEO

Side note - that XLT trim has everything I would want in a truck. $55k was the sticker.

[Grit_dog]

4x4ord wrote:
I just did some quick math and figured if I were willing to drive a 15 year old depreciated out truck and trade it for another 15 year old depreciated out old truck every few years and if I invest the money I save wisely I might be able to accumulate another $500,000 by the time I drop dead in 30 years. I think I'm going to trade my 2017 in on a new 2020 sometime over the next year..... probably get a diesel.

Bingo! ^
That's how I helped jump start my finances as a kid, and still do better than alot of folks extracting the most out of the value of a vehicle. But now having less time to tinker and more $ available, combined with the reasons below, it doesn't happen much anymore.
It's much harder to do now, as the right vehicles used to command the right price and private party sale meant cheaper price, moreso than now. The internet has ruined the casual car flipper business, as around Seattle anyway, there are hundreds of (typically eastern European and Russian) car salesmen posing as private party sellers and thanks to the internet, even the most uninformed person can figure out what the "top value" is for their pos whatevermobile.

[LanceRKeys]

I’m with you diginomad

I think I’m getting this for my wife’s expedition:

https://www.autostopeliminator.com/

[diginomad]

If the god **** engine shuts off on its own, I'm not interested. Unless there is a start/stop defeat.

[goducks10]

It' probably time for a group hug.

[ShinerBock]

librty02 wrote:

I never stated that you directly stated my cost analysis was incorrect...What I said above was more of a question...what I meant was that you state that you will always come out ahead with a diesel and that simply is not true in all cases and that is the BS I'm talking about...always thinking we have that blanket answer for everyone everywhere

Those are not just winter prices for fuel in my area. Those are winter prices at this moment and YES diesel fuel is ALWAYS more expensive where I live it is ALWAYS at least .70 cent per gallon more than gasoline and rises here in the summer months to almost a entire dollar more per gallon than gasoline... Heck I've seen in the past 3 years a difference of $1.20 per gallon more in the summer months...its crazy

If I go by your fuel prices you stated above it would still cost me $4000 more to own that diesel over that 5 year period....BUT that $4k does not include maintenance costs either which will be higher for a diesel than a gasoline motor everyday.

AND the trade in values I gave are for the MODERN Diesel a 2015 VS 2015...which someone else stated would be a bigger difference with the modern diesels compared to the ones over a decade ago.

I would NEVER argue a gas truck is more powerful than a diesel we all know that is not true. A diesel does shine for sure but for me where I live it would be at a $4000 cost over those 5 years of ownership.

The thing is some people must ALWAYS be right...it's either their way or no way and there just isn't one answer for everyone's needs. I'm correct in saying that a diesel would cost me 4k more where I live yes....but where you are it may be the opposite and be 4k more for the gas in the end...

Would I get the diesel over the gas for 4k yes but that is me 4k will not break my bank but for some it may

I never said everyone comes out ahead buying a diesel. In fact I have stated multiple times that the prices of fuel, resale, interests rates, and other things will vary depending on your location. I have also stated that many may find that the gas engine may come out to be a few thousand cheaper depending on where you live. My comment was toward those who have never done a cost analysis or say things like there is no difference in resale after 15 year without actually verifying it. If you have done the analysis and found out that the diesel may cost you a few thousand more and aren't willing to pay a few thousand over the course of five years for the added power and capability then my comment was NOT directed toward you. It was directed at those who do say these things without actually knowing for a fact. Those people are the ones talking BS.

[4x4ord]

I just did some quick math and figured if I were willing to drive a 15 year old depreciated out truck and trade it for another 15 year old depreciated out old truck every few years and if I invest the money I save wisely I might be able to accumulate another $500,000 by the time I drop dead in 30 years. I think I'm going to trade my 2017 in on a new 2020 sometime over the next year..... probably get a diesel.

[BenK]

Never ending argument and you folks will have even more to argue over very soon...

Compression ignition gassers are here for cars...and think soon for our trucks

Diesel will still rule, but the MPG differential is much less

I've never owned a vehicle based in part due to resale value. Get my money's worth and sell it when don't want to or can't fix it anyone. Most happy not having payments, but do make payments into a bank account for my next vehicle

[librty02]

ShinerBock wrote:
I never said your cost analysis was incorrect nor did I even comment on it because I have not even taken the time to look at them yet so I am not sure why you are even bringing me into that. However, since you did, some of the numbers seem to be a exaggerated.

Going by real world fuelly mileage (which is 11 mpg for the 6.2 SRW and 14.5 for the 6.7L SRW), the 6.2L would use 5,455 gallons of fuel and the 6.7L would use 4,138 gallons in 60k miles. At the prices you stated(which are winter prices when the difference is greater) the fuel cost for the 6.2L $14,672.73 and $13,613.79 for the 6.7L. DEF usage would be about 83 gallons in 60k miles based on the standard 50 to 1 diesel gallon usage of most light duty truck diesels. At $2.90 a gallon at the pumps, that is an additional $240.70. So that would bring the diesels total fuel/DEF bill to $13,854.49 which is still less than the $14,672.73 pf the 6.2L. Although I will point out again that this is winter prices when gas is lower because refiners do not have add the special EPA mandated additives which make it cost about $.10-.15 more during the summer.

What I was commenting on was someone saying that the resale value between a diesel and a gas version of a 15 year old truck with 75k miles would not be significant. I checked for myself and the difference was over $4k which would mostly pay for the upfront cost of a diesel back in 2005.

I never stated that you directly stated my cost analysis was incorrect...What I said above was more of a question...what I meant was that you state that you will always come out ahead with a diesel and that simply is not true in all cases and that is the BS I'm talking about...always thinking we have that blanket answer for everyone everywhere

Those are not just winter prices for fuel in my area. Those are winter prices at this moment and YES diesel fuel is ALWAYS more expensive where I live it is ALWAYS at least .70 cent per gallon more than gasoline and rises here in the summer months to almost a entire dollar more per gallon than gasoline... Heck I've seen in the past 3 years a difference of $1.20 per gallon more in the summer months...its crazy

If I go by your fuel prices you stated above it would still cost me $4000 more to own that diesel over that 5 year period....BUT that $4k does not include maintenance costs either which will be higher for a diesel than a gasoline motor everyday.

AND the trade in values I gave are for the MODERN Diesel a 2015 VS 2015...which someone else stated would be a bigger difference with the modern diesels compared to the ones over a decade ago.

I would NEVER argue a gas truck is more powerful than a diesel we all know that is not true. A diesel does shine for sure but for me where I live it would be at a $4000 cost over those 5 years of ownership.

The thing is some people must ALWAYS be right...it's either their way or no way and there just isn't one answer for everyone's needs. I'm correct in saying that a diesel would cost me 4k more where I live yes....but where you are it may be the opposite and be 4k more for the gas in the end...

Would I get the diesel over the gas for 4k yes but that is me 4k will not break my bank but for some it may

[RoyJ]

Get a diesel for the performance, get a gas for occasional light duty-cycle usage. Personally, if I'm buying a $70k truck, it'll be a diesel. If I'm buying a 10 - 20 year old truck, I'll likely find a lower mileage gas.

A lot of the diesel financial calculations ignore the operating cost. One replacement on an injection pump / injectors, turbo, EGR/DPF/SCR system, and you've wiped out the entire lifetime worth of savings. Then add in the higher oil change / fuel filters, it doesn't make financial sense if I'm using it 3 months / 3k miles a year (RV use).

Very few modern gas engines need anything beyond oil and filter changes. Yes, there's the occasional lemon, but used engines are everywhere for cheap.

[IdaD]

Grit dog wrote:
^And the avg trade you used is from the diesel with the worst resale!
It gets better if you’re taking anything but ford in the mid-late 2000s.
The whole cost thing is as subjective as many topics.
If you do it right, the gasser will be cheaper, if that’s what you want. If you do it right, the diesel will be cheaper , if that’s what you want.
But the one thing that can’t be equal is power. If you don’t care about power, buy a gasser, if you want a few more hp and 200-250% more torque, you know what to doo!

This gets lost in the financial arguments a lot - the diesel provides a substantially better truck experience. Not just towing, either. Idling down the freeway at 1800 RPM while you're going 85 mph uphill into a headwind is pretty easy to get used to.

I'm hoping my truck lasts at least 15 years. Over that timeframe the cost difference is completely immaterial relative to the total ownership cost. I figure I may as well have the better truck.

[Grit_dog]

^And the avg trade you used is from the diesel with the worst resale!
It gets better if you’re taking anything but ford in the mid-late 2000s.
The whole cost thing is as subjective as many topics.
If you do it right, the gasser will be cheaper, if that’s what you want. If you do it right, the diesel will be cheaper , if that’s what you want.
But the one thing that can’t be equal is power. If you don’t care about power, buy a gasser, if you want a few more hp and 200-250% more torque, you know what to doo!

[ShinerBock]

I never said your cost analysis was incorrect nor did I even comment on it because I have not even taken the time to look at them yet so I am not sure why you are even bringing me into that. However, since you did, some of the numbers seem to be a exaggerated.

Going by real world fuelly mileage (which is 11 mpg for the 6.2 SRW and 14.5 for the 6.7L SRW), the 6.2L would use 5,455 gallons of fuel and the 6.7L would use 4,138 gallons in 60k miles. At the prices you stated(which are winter prices when the difference is greater) the fuel cost for the 6.2L $14,672.73 and $13,613.79 for the 6.7L. DEF usage would be about 83 gallons in 60k miles based on the standard 50 to 1 diesel gallon usage of most light duty truck diesels. At $2.90 a gallon at the pumps, that is an additional $240.70. So that would bring the diesels total fuel/DEF bill to $13,854.49 which is still less than the $14,672.73 pf the 6.2L. Although I will point out again that this is winter prices when gas is lower because refiners do not have add the special EPA mandated additives which make it cost about $.10-.15 more during the summer.

What I was commenting on was someone saying that the resale value between a diesel and a gas version of a 15 year old truck with 75k miles would not be significant. I checked for myself and the difference was over $4k which would mostly pay for the upfront cost of a diesel back in 2005.

[librty02]

ShinerBock wrote:

librty02 wrote:


OMG DOES IT EVER END ?!?!?

It will when people stop using reasons that are based on their assumptions and not facts. As I said before, there are many valid reasons why someone would not want a diesel, but there are also many BS reasons. I will not comment on a valid reasons, but I will call BS when I see it.

So the complete correct cost analysis that I posted earlier in this thread for a gas vs diesel truck for my area is complete BS :h

BS that is would cost me 6k more for that diesel truck in 5 yrs of ownership....there is no blanketing of this for everyone...this is becoming socialistic tow vehicle forum then :S

So I went and did a 5 yr 60000 miles cost analysis.

Diesel at 3.29 per gallon
Gas at 2.69 per gallon

Over the 5 yrs 60k Diesel will cost $1200 more due to DEF

5yr loan 60k diesel costs 66283 with 6% tax and 3.99% interest
5yr loan 48.9k gas costs 53993 with 6% tax and 3.99% interest

Diesel is 12290 more

Trade in Values for a 2015 Ford F-350 Lariat Crew Diesel vs Gas all same exact options but 6.7 diesel and engine block heater with 60000 miles on them

Diesel trade value 35490
Gas trade value 28427

Diesel worth 7487 more....7063 + 6% trade tax advantage

Diesel upfront cost of 12300 - 7487 = 4813 + 1200(fuel)= 6013 more to own a Diesel over that 5 yr period over the same gas truck.

No maintenance in these figures at all just straight cost of loan tax and fuel


The point I'm trying to make is who really cares. We all live in different states with different taxes, registrations, fuel prices, etc...we all have different wants needs and expectations. We all have different incomes. Who cares what people do with their money it is theirs let them do what they want with it. I'm happy we have all the options out there that we have to choose from.

In the end we are all here because we like to get out and go Rv'ing
It's supposed to be about having fun...not bashing others because of the choices they make or wants that they have.

[ShinerBock]

librty02 wrote:


OMG DOES IT EVER END ?!?!?

It will when people stop using reasons that are based on their assumptions and not facts. As I said before, there are many valid reasons why someone would not want a diesel, but there are also many BS reasons. I will not comment on a valid reasons, but I will call BS when I see it.