Where's the 2020 Ram HD?

[GordonThree]

Three years ago give take a few months I bought my 17 2500HD, that was 2016.

Other than stuff from trade shows not seeing anything official from the Italians.

Things running late this year?

[Huntindog]

ksss wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

mich800 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you don’t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.

Well said... The 10 speed will have more options to select the right gear for the engines power band over various load and terrain situations.

Having said that one could say the 10 speed allowed the Duramax with less torque than the Cummins to equal it's performance up the Ike.

UH why not state FACTS here. RAM 6 tires and heavier.

My analysis is based on my personal experience. Also some of what I have seem.

The GM should have smoked the RAM plain and simple.

And if it had you would have Ditched that the Ram had more tires and was heavier so it was predetermined that the Dmax was first up the hill, which it was anyway, even if it was by a couple seconds. They will weigh them down and see what happens.

We have a winner. Under the test parameters, both trucks were able to pretty much achieve a "perfect score".
How so? Well, that pull is right at 8 miles. And the trucks are not allowed to exceed 60 MPH. So a perfect score would be 8.00 minutes, right? No.
They do not start the timer with the trucks @ 60 MPH. They do it from a 30MPH roll.
This will add time.. It is impossible to say just how much time from the info given.
But it will add time.
Both trucks had areas where they were able to exceed 60 MPH, but they were held back from doing so.

Hopefully in upcoming tests, they will have better matched trucks, and either take the 60 MPH restriction off, or load them up more.

12V is just gonna have to gnash his teeth till then.

It will be interesting to see his response, if his beloved Ram loses then.
Only then can a true winner be determined.

Going for more popcorn now.:B

[ksss]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

mich800 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you don’t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.

Well said... The 10 speed will have more options to select the right gear for the engines power band over various load and terrain situations.

Having said that one could say the 10 speed allowed the Duramax with less torque than the Cummins to equal it's performance up the Ike.

UH why not state FACTS here. RAM 6 tires and heavier.

My analysis is based on my personal experience. Also some of what I have seem.

The GM should have smoked the RAM plain and simple.

And if it had you would have Ditched that the Ram had more tires and was heavier so it was predetermined that the Dmax was first up the hill, which it was anyway, even if it was by a couple seconds. They will weigh them down and see what happens.

[Grit_dog]

Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:

mich800 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you don’t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.

Well said... The 10 speed will have more options to select the right gear for the engines power band over various load and terrain situations.

Having said that one could say the 10 speed allowed the Duramax with less torque than the Cummins to equal it's performance up the Ike.

UH why not state FACTS here. RAM 6 tires and heavier.

My analysis is based on my personal experience. Also some of what I have seem.

The GM should have smoked the RAM plain and simple.

[FishOnOne]

mich800 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you don’t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.

Well said... The 10 speed will have more options to select the right gear for the engines power band over various load and terrain situations.

Having said that one could say the 10 speed allowed the Duramax with less torque than the Cummins to equal it's performance up the Ike.

[mich800]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you don’t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.

[Cummins12V98]

I have nothing against more gears. I think in a gasser that makes sense.

I simply look at my truck shifting there isn't much space between gears as far as RPM's. Stays right in the power band. So time will tell.

My 01 Sport would be great if I had the 6 speed stick for more even spacing but I gave up on that quest! Compromise will be to change to 4.10's.

[Bionic_Man]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

Sure did. That’s the one where they don’t chart the MPG right? And also don’t talk much about the driving experience.

I’m not sure if you have driven some of the newer 8 or 10 speed trucks but I have. And in those experiences, it is much better than a vehicle with less cogs.

Maybe number of gears doesn’t matter on Ike. Maybe it does. We won’t really know until they test the same truck with 6 vs 8/10.

I pull that route a half dozen times per year. It takes around 10 minutes per time, as you’ve seen in the video. I think it’s crazy to make a decision on what you are going to buy based on that test - especially considering the vast majority of the population doesn’t drive that route.

Knowing your history, I have no doubt that two years from now once RAM has stepped up and added gears you will be touting it as the “best transmission”. And I’m sure it will be “medium duty”. :W

[gmcsmoke]

Is there some change between the 2019 and 2020? The local ram dealer has the new body style chassis cabs in stock.

[Cummins12V98]

Bionic Man wrote:
I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didn’t shine from what I saw.

[Cummins12V98]

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
On my AISIN when going thru the gears it's always in the power band. So far with the test between the RAM and GM the extra gears did not help them any.

8-10, why not 12???

Love folks who are so defensive and passionate about their trucks.....
Fwiw, never said it didn’t get the job done with a 6 speed. It’s a vast improvement over the previous models 4 speed auto which was useless as teats on a boar behind the Cummins.

Love folks who claim to know that I am being defensive. Just stating my observation and my experience.

Agree there was a huge improvement going from a NOT evenly spaced 4 speed to an evenly spaced 6 speed.

[Bionic_Man]

I’m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isn’t going from 6 to 8 gears.

[Grit_dog]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
On my AISIN when going thru the gears it's always in the power band. So far with the test between the RAM and GM the extra gears did not help them any.

8-10, why not 12???

Love folks who are so defensive and passionate about their trucks.....
Fwiw, never said it didn’t get the job done with a 6 speed. It’s a vast improvement over the previous models 4 speed auto which was useless as teats on a boar behind the Cummins.

[Bedlam]

It is easier to tune for efficiency, power and emissions in a narrower power band. Having more gears allows you to narrow the engine's operating range to do just that. At some point, the number of gears and shift points results in diminishing returns and can actually hurt performance - If you look at the large Class 8's, many of them now operate with fewer gears than in past years.

[Cummins12V98]

On my AISIN when going thru the gears it's always in the power band. So far with the test between the RAM and GM the extra gears did not help them any.

8-10, why not 12???