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โNov-02-2021 09:00 AM
mkirsch wrote:Grit dog wrote:
But then you pretend that the "system" is designed to only 6084lbs rawr, which the only limitation there is maybe the springs, which are easily upgraded. F250s don't have smaller "rivets, fasteners and hangars". We all know that and we all know that the gvw "ratings" of 3/4 tons are largely regulatory, not capability. To the extent, that now, the mfgs seems to be rating 3/4 and 1 ton srw trucks considerably higher if you get the "right" gvw package, than the same truck that is rated lower, which is largely a different sticker on the door jamb.
Those who have no clue how a vehicle is built will pretend there is some magical "upgrade" and refute that one "can't be sure" that it will handle more than its rating. To you, believe what you want, no harm, no foul, until you start to profess your lack of knowledge to others.
Conversely you pretend that it isn't, that the difference is just a number on a sticker. The reality is neither of us actually knows. Have you done a part-by-part analysis? I haven't.
Yes I will "refute that one 'can't be sure'" because that is the truth.
The difference between us is that I use the number as a starting point, where you just ignore the numbers entirely and openly tell everyone else to do the same.
Load more if you want. I don't care. It's not my truck. You've got to get a lot jankier than a few hundred pounds overweight to be a menace on the road. All I want is for people to know where the starting point is.
โNov-02-2021 08:46 AM
Bedlam wrote:
At 9.5" long and only 2.5' of the base forward of the axle, I expect quite a bit of front unloading if carried on a short bed truck. The CG on this camper when dry was about 5':
https://www.lancecamper.com/docs/99-brochure.pdf
โNov-02-2021 06:56 AM
Grit dog wrote:
But then you pretend that the "system" is designed to only 6084lbs rawr, which the only limitation there is maybe the springs, which are easily upgraded. F250s don't have smaller "rivets, fasteners and hangars". We all know that and we all know that the gvw "ratings" of 3/4 tons are largely regulatory, not capability. To the extent, that now, the mfgs seems to be rating 3/4 and 1 ton srw trucks considerably higher if you get the "right" gvw package, than the same truck that is rated lower, which is largely a different sticker on the door jamb.
Those who have no clue how a vehicle is built will pretend there is some magical "upgrade" and refute that one "can't be sure" that it will handle more than its rating. To you, believe what you want, no harm, no foul, until you start to profess your lack of knowledge to others.
โNov-01-2021 01:15 PM
โNov-01-2021 07:43 AM
Bedlam wrote:
The biggest problem loading a long bed camper into a short bed truck is center of gravity front to rear. If too much weight is taken off the front, you suffer handling issues. Yes, you can load up the front of the truck with a rack and additional water to help, but now you are making a heavy load even more so trying to teeter it forward. There are other issues, but those can be addressed more easily than CG.
โNov-01-2021 07:40 AM
mkirsch wrote:
Your main issue with a Lance 910 is not weight or CG. A well maintained F250 can easily handle well over 3000lbs of payload in the bed without putting anyone or anything at risk. They generally weigh about 2800lbs empty and have a 6084lb rear axle weight rating with stock tires. Newer ones may actually have a higher weight rating.
Now someone will pipe up and say the axle is rated to 10,000. Well the AXLE is, but the SUSPENSION SYSTEM from the tires to the rims to the axle to the springs to the frame to all the rivets and fasteners holding it together is rated to 6084. If you put 5000lb each rated tires and rims on the axle, and jammed a section of well casing between the axle and frame, sure, you could probably run 10,000. Off the showroom floor, not so much.
From there you have to decide to listen to the Internet experts telling you to go ahead it will be fine, and decide if the risk is worth the reward.
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โOct-29-2021 08:26 AM
Newtrucker wrote:
Thank you everyone. Unfortunately we have decided to pass on this particular purchase.
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